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hi everyone welcome to geoff webb live

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stream uh today's guest is going to be

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dr melinda greer

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so i will be talking to her about

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several different modalities

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because uh she's pretty much experienced

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in a few so um she actually was

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uh contributed a chapter uh in to the

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i think it's called the greater reality

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which is a book that

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ray hernandez and the team has written

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about

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and maybe she can tell me a little bit

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about that as well but

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for now i just wanted to basically say

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regarding past wednesday i know some of

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you might have gotten a message

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or um or maybe not i couldn't do an open

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and so i always try to just meet with

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with you guys online

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at least once a week but sometimes

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things come up and i really just get too

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swamped

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so but i promise next wednesday um we'll

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plenty to talk about um to make it up to

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i at least posted a video of a really

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cool looking shifting

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object ufo whatever you want to call it

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so check it out on telegram

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and speaking of telegram we're also

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simultaneously broadcasting

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uh voice only over telegram and you can

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uh the voice chat in there to also come

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and but if you're too shy and don't want

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to the the chat will do just fine either

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on facebook or on youtube

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whatever you prefer so

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let's see here i think i covered

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everything i want to cover

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so without any uh further ado

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um melinda welcome you know thanks for

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thanks for having me well so i figured

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um usually you know i have a when i want

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to ask a question

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there's um you know i always ask the

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the person you know how did you get into

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this but i don't know that this is

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something that you get

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into you know so i figured i'll just

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leave it up to you to kind of start out

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what which one of the modals was the

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okay um i have to say it's been a

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lifelong process but probably it all

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started when i was around five or six

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started for me that i'm aware of um

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i had a what might be called a

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near-death experience or a near-death

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black experience i really don't know

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how close to death i was i thought i was

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um might call it a near-death lack

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experience whether i would have died or

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not i don't know

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but um long story short i was probably

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which is a serious infection after a cat

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and um i don't know why my parents

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didn't realize how sick i was but i

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and um told i'd be okay in the morning

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uh thinking i was going to die because i

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and during the night i was sicker and

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temperature was higher and higher and i

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and go seek any help and i remember

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um it was very it was it's hard to

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loving darkness it was like embodiment

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of love i can't explain it

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that i don't have here in this world um

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love you know and something that was

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universe i remember seeing like planets

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and that i wasn't surrounded by that

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and um i remember kind of pitching a bit

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of a tantrum

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in my bedroom and then just going on

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with my life and not thinking much about

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subject i'll talk about the second one

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in 2013 if that's okay um

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cv icu you know i was in critical care

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they thought i had a dissecting aortic

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aneurysm i'd been sitting a helicopter

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because the referring hospital thought i

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had a dissecting aortic aneurysm which

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heart it was about to burst is what they

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everything like that

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the night before i'd actually been taken

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to the or they had the heart lung

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machine prepped

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with my a-negative blood and um

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echocardiogram where they actually put a

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probe down into my esophagus

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and looked at it the heart from the side

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that i didn't have that they didn't know

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what was wrong but

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um they decided not to do the surgery

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thankfully so i don't have a big scar

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sore throat in the cvicu

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so then they wanted me to go to another

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found out that it was actually you had

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to go down through this long tunnel

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to and it was actually under a roadway

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to go to this other building that was

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from the night before so they were able

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blood pressure my heart rate

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anyway they started seeing a decrease

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towards the elevator and i started

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that something wasn't right i was about

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to pass out

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and she says do we need to go back to

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the cvicu i said i think so

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and um i said i think i need to get on

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the floor

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last thing i remembered was her yanking

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um that i didn't you know

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instead of being total darkness and love

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it was total light and love

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saturated with it the light was

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i just remember being back where i

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physical so energy i don't know what we

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uh a group of entities that i had known

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of whatever my existence is and

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it's hard to explain people don't

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understand it it's like

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just swoop i downloaded what it was like

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to be melinda greer

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you know on earth all to these beings

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all at the same time it was like we were

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we were like individuals but yet we were

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i was able to just download everything

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memories all impressions

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all beliefs everything uh went and just

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was downloaded into these other entities

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my you know my group and then they

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with what i would need to be caught up

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with that i had missed

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out you know after you know being gone

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and um then i just got to have a long

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there's no time there so i can't say you

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know it's a thousand years

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eternity whatever but it seemed like a

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long period of just kind of some r r

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because you know i was made aware that

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going to earth being in this

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existence is really tough and then i

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needed to relax a bit i guess

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and so i i got to just you know be there

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and chill

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for a while and then kind of came to a

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consensus that i needed to come back

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like i said i was an individual but yet

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i was part of a group and the group made

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and i wasn't going to go against the

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group because you just don't do that

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and so i you know came back i was a

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little bit reluctant but

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i did it and so then the next thing i

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remember is waking up in the cv icu

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i still had tunnel vision when you

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don't have oxygen for a while you lose

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i can't say how long i mean i know i was

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an asystole because i have the ekg

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tracing to prove and it says asystole

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know that

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when i came around it was pandemonium

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lot of things happening but i was even

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though i found out later and i i knew i

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had had seizures because i was

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in pain all over i mean i tore torn

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muscles having seizures on the way back

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in that wheelchair

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but even though i'd had the seizures and

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everything i

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came back immediately lucid to the point

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where i was actually almost immediately

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critiquing

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the team that was resuscitating me um

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and you know it's kind of amusing you

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don't usually come back from seizures um

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lucid and able to process information

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and i was immediately processing

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information

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and then you know i had more of a work

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up and they found some problems in my

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pulmonary system but there was nothing

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wrong with my heart i told my heart i

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was told my heart was pristine there was

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absolutely nothing i didn't even have

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any plaque anywhere

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so you know the whole thing was kind of

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mysterious why i was even there

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um and you know i was fine afterwards

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and

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you know it took me a week to recover

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from it i was

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you know pretty wiped out and exhausted

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and everything but um

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you know it was a wonderful experience i

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highly recommend death i i highly

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recommend it

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and something i just think about every

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i mean i'm ready to go back but i mean

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you have to be here you're you're here

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for a reason

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you have to fulfill that purpose and i

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guess i haven't done it yet so

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anyway i'm still here well is that

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something that

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that was conveyed to you uh during that

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time that

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that you were you were here for a reason

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you i would assume you died for reason

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two

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was it just to kind of catch back up

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about oh hey

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remember who you are and what you're

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doing here what what

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did you gather more from from what you

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so i've had this these weird experiences

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throughout my life

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and all these different modalities that

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i'm starting to recognize that term

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modalities

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and each time i would just like

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yeah it happened i got to go on and i

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wouldn't process it i wouldn't

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come to terms with it i would just try

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to bury it and you know you can't talk

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to and you can talk to people about it

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nowadays but

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two three four decades ago you couldn't

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talk to people about this sort of thing

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and so i just think i'm a slow learner

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and i just needed that one more

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reinforcement to know that

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you know this is real and

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reality is not what we think it is and

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uh there's just a lot out there that

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the average human being is totally

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unaware of

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um and

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we just need to have a better

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understanding of reality

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right do you do you want to recap so

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first false

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you had a near-death experience then you

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had some

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experiences with ufos and then um

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um you also i forgot what you called

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that you you said you had an encounter

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with the

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huh and what was that can you

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that's the term also known as bigfoot

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okay so good deal you know as a child i

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was

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a strange child i had unusual dreams i

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had

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um what i now recognize were probably

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guides of some sort i really don't know

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so there was a lot of things going on in

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my childhood as well

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um that were just unusual that i just

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had to hide from other people because

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when i talked about it you get crazy it

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looks like you've got two heads and

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you know you just learn not to talk

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about it so i mean i can't

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say that i was abducted by aliens or any

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like thing like that

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but i have had but you did have missing

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time right

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yes as an adult as a child i i mostly

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had

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um it's hard to explain it's like

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information would be downloaded into me

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or put into my head i would i

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i asked internally i asked why a lot i

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didn't ask my parents because i learned

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not to do that i didn't ask

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you know the people at the church i

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learned not to do that

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so kind of internally i'd ask why and

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i'd get these answers and they were

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correct i mean once i got an adult

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perspective i knew that they were

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correct

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as to you know social dynamics and the

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internal motivations of humans and

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things like that i would

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always just sit around and watch people

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and wonder why they did the things they

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did and that kind of stuff

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it was just a lot of information that

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helped me navigate being a human child

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and helped me

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stay safe and some i mean i really felt

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like they looked out for me

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um and then when i was about 17

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i remember sitting on my front step at

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home

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and just saying look guys you know

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because that's why i thought of them as

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they or them

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and they were the they were the guys i

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didn't know you know who they were

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or what they were but i knew that other

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people didn't seem to have

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that um kind of input available to them

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so

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you know i remember just sitting there

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and saying look i want to be normal i

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want to experience what's like to be

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normal i want to experience what's like

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to be a normal human being

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and um by golly you you don't ask for

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that kind of stuff unless you really

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mean it because it was like almost

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instantaneous it was just withdrawn

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and then i had to navigate life without

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all that help

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and actually you know learn um

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you know and i was pretty awkward

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socially and everything like that so

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um you know after that you know i just

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became a normal human being for a while

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and got to

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navigate life that way so um

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and then things you know are pretty

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normal

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until the first ufo uh and that was

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actually

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with my husband um

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i gave you a link

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to a patent a us government patent and

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that us government patent actually has

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two um craft described

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one's kind of a diamond shaped although

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i remember it more as manta ray shaped

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like with a diamond with the two flaps

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down

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like bent in half sort of thing not bent

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in half but with downward angles on each

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corner um and then the other one's

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triangular

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and those are mostly what i've seen

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um well i only saw the triangular i

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started the diamond shape one twice

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the triangular ones i saw a lot between

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2002 and 2012 where we used to live in

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southeast oklahoma

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the diamond-shaped one was more like

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south east central oklahoma and that was

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in like

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2000 sorry 1984

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would have been so um

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you know i talk about these ufos like

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i used to think of them as being maybe

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alien beings coming from another planet

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but recently after finding that patent

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i think a year and a half two years ago

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it kind of blew my mind

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i don't know if you had a chance to look

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at it but the patent is

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i'm just going to read this a craft

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using an inertial mass reduction device

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and the patent is assigned to the us the

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united states of america represented by

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the secretary of the navy

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washington dc and

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you know it shows this diamond shaped

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craft and it shows um

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a triangular alternative craft

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and it talks about how

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by manipulating the quantum vacuum

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plasma

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and various i mean has his physics i

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mean you have to be a physicist to

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really understand it all

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but what i took away from it is that

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it's able to

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through this manipulation that using um

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was being described in this patent

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they're

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going to be able to build a craft that

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is basically inertialist and that's what

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we're seeing on these

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tic tac ufo you know videos and other

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things

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uh and they talk about you know

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something that can come from space

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come into the atmosphere and then go

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underwater

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um and that's exactly what this patent

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talks about submersible

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um inertial inertia less

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vehicles um that

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they just slip from one um

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like atmosphere

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to air to water without you know without

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any kind of interface

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it's like nothing to this vehicle well

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just real quick so

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that the link to the patent is in the

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description below for those of you

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watching now and you would like to

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see it or read it while you're listening

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to us you can go there

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and so check it out so i have it in the

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description said

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i'm glad you brought it up i was going

532
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to ask you to to uh talk about it a

533
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little bit but

534
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,400
you already did now so the thing i took

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away from the patent the thing that

536
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the thing that blew my mind i mean

537
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there's a lot of that i don't understand

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about it because it's physics and i

539
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detested physics

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but let me just read one um one sentence

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out of it

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it says if we can engineer the structure

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of the local quantum vacuum state we can

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engineer the fabric of our reality at

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the most fundamental level

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and you know it talks about manipulating

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space and time

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so what i took away from that

549
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when i read it a few years ago was those

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many ufos that i have seen why i see so

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many i have no idea

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and there's there was another form that

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00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:58,960
i saw why i have no idea

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00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,600
but those many ufos that i have seen

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don't even have to be

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happening right now they could if they

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can

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a vehicle that's inertialous and you

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know

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defies gravity then they can also

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manipulate time

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and it could be happening 100 years from

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now they could actually be doing it and

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just you know manipulating time and

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coming back here to where we're seeing

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it

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you know a human being you know a human

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uh military or you know

569
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,279
state of some sort behind this uh

570
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:42,799
it doesn't have to be from another

571
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,400
planet and i have to say

572
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,919
the triangular ones and the

573
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,520
diamond-shaped ones looked like to me

574
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,360
something that a human would build it's

575
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:53,039
just that they were able to

576
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,200
motivate and you know defy gravity

577
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:59,679
in a way that i don't think humans can

578
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:00,640
do right now

579
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:03,679
if we can it's not been made public

580
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,720
um so you're bringing up this this

581
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,159
patent based on

582
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,279
um just your observations that

583
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,279
what based on what you saw and know

584
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,960
about that this pattern

585
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:17,520
is come close to what you witnessed is

586
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,320
is that what you're trying to get at

587
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,480
well let me i don't know if you can pick

588
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,080
up this picture but

589
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:27,120
let me just show you i mean this is can

590
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,480
you see that at all

591
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,520
yes okay so that's part of the patent

592
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,600
and you know one's diamond shape one's

593
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,360
triangular shape and it

594
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:38,400
you know in 1984 i saw the diamond shape

595
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,000
you know twice two weeks apart and then

596
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,520
from 2002 to 2012 i saw the triangular

597
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:47,760
one

598
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,039
at least a dozen times if probably more

599
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:53,039
and on three occasions it actually threw

600
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,320
flew over the top of

601
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:55,919
where i was and on one occasion my

602
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:58,640
husband was with me we were in a vehicle

603
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:02,400
so you know other than the fact that it

604
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:03,039
was going

605
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,510
it just looked like something a human

606
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,360
could build um

607
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,760
looked like i mean it didn't look

608
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:16,000
something that i couldn't explain

609
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:20,080
um now i did see another ufo in 2007

610
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:23,200
and 2007 was my last ufo sighting

611
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:26,720
and it was um it looked like

612
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:30,799
if you took a drop of mercury um

613
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,279
and it was floating in the sky a big

614
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,279
drop in mercury

615
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,679
and it had a slight wobble to it but it

616
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:40,000
was um

617
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,360
it wasn't perfectly round it was

618
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,000
slightly ovoid kind of flattened

619
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,039
top and bottom um

620
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:50,080
but it actually seemed to intelligently

621
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:51,120
interact with me

622
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,960
and so that was really peculiar um

623
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,320
you know i'm a logical person i think

624
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:58,080
i'm pretty rational and i have a

625
00:27:05,669 --> 00:26:58,880
scientific

626
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:05,679
i try to you know try to figure things

627
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:06,320
out

628
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:09,919
particular one if you want me to since

629
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:14,480
please do i'm sorry i said yes please do

630
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,679
okay so i was coming back from lunch

631
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,360
going back to the clinic where i worked

632
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,679
this was in southeast oklahoma

633
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,919
and so i'm driving and i'm coming off of

634
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:24,799
a bypass

635
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:28,720
and getting onto a you know a highway

636
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,000
and all of a sudden across what first

637
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,240
i took to be across the road from me

638
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,760
what i first thought was you know my

639
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,360
first glance at it i thought it was a

640
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,000
huge mylar balloon

641
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,440
but um you know

642
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,039
after taking a better look at it i

643
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,120
realized number one it wasn't just

644
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,600
across the road it was across the valley

645
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:52,159
and it was a lot bigger than any balloon

646
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:53,279
i'd ever seen

647
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,720
um anyway it was

648
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,000
like i said it looked like a huge drop

649
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,760
of mercury it was perfectly

650
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:03,200
mirror-like um

651
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,110
kind of wobbled it had a bit of a like a

652
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,600
i can't explain it a bit of a wobble to

653
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:14,720
it

654
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,159
and so traffic came up behind me so i

655
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:19,760
had to turn and

656
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,720
go but and so i'm at a you know 90

657
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,880
degree angle to it as i'm driving

658
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,399
and i keep looking over at it trying to

659
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:28,080
figure out what it is thinking it's some

660
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,120
type of balloon or

661
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,840
or something i just didn't know and so i

662
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,039
pulled off to the side of the road and

663
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,880
watched it for a while and it starts

664
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:35,919
ascending

665
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,320
and it's going up and there's there was

666
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,679
a really peculiar

667
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,919
cloud pattern that day the clouds were

668
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:43,360
like little puff balls of cotton and

669
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,559
they were all in rows

670
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,799
and i'd never seen clouds like that

671
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:48,320
before and they were just all in lines

672
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:49,039
and rows

673
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,960
and looked like little puffballs and

674
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,919
you know i don't know what the cloud

675
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:55,200
ceiling was that day or anything like

676
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,240
that i just i really

677
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,480
should have looked into it i should have

678
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,840
remembered the day i don't i couldn't

679
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:01,120
even tell you what day it was

680
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,669
as i'm sitting there on the side of the

681
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:09,360
road it's ascending

682
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:13,360
and i'm honking my horn and pointing at

683
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,600
it

684
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,679
trying to get other people you know to

685
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,960
pay attention to it because i mean it

686
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,960
has to be obvious it's this huge thing

687
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,039
out there above the valley

688
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:24,000
and um you know it just keeps ascending

689
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:25,520
and so

690
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,399
i thought okay it's some type of weather

691
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,399
balloon it's got to be a really new

692
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:32,240
cool neat weather balloon i can't

693
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,600
explain why

694
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,120
it doesn't have that teardrop shape that

695
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:37,039
weather balloons have and why it's a

696
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,080
perfect ovoid

697
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:40,399
i couldn't explain that but i felt like

698
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,600
it had to be some type of weather

699
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:43,279
balloon or something

700
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:47,039
and so it keeps ascending and so i

701
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,240
pulled off

702
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:51,360
into an area where there's a arena like

703
00:30:03,190 --> 00:29:51,840
a

704
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,200
i'm thinking

705
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,240
you know it's going against the wind so

706
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,399
there's a problem it being a balloon if

707
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,320
it's going against the wind

708
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,159
and then it gets up to the level of the

709
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,880
clouds so the clouds had to be at least

710
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:17,120
i would think 20 000 feet high i don't

711
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,919
think they were

712
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:20,000
lower than that and it gets up to the

713
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,279
level of the clouds and

714
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:23,840
it's still so big that it's like i would

715
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:29,590
you know if you held a a small

716
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:33,279
lentil you know you know

717
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:35,840
in your fingers and then held it out

718
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:36,640
from your arm

719
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,440
at arm's length it was about that large

720
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,360
at the level of the cloud

721
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,520
and so i'm thinking it's it's just got

722
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:45,200
to be a balloon i can't explain maybe i

723
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,559
got into a different air layer i'm

724
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,679
thinking i know that air

725
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,679
air layers go different directions maybe

726
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:51,039
gone to a different air layer and so

727
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:53,200
it's going against the wind

728
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,720
and so then i'm watching it and

729
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,799
every time i would think of something

730
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,480
that would explain it

731
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,480
it would do something to disprove what i

732
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:04,799
had just thought and so

733
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:07,919
um at one point it actually goes around

734
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:08,720
the cloud

735
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,240
twice you know and then

736
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,240
comes down and goes below the cloud and

737
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,760
then goes around it the opposite

738
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:17,039
direction

739
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,399
and you know i couldn't see it at all

740
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:20,000
when it's on the other side of the cloud

741
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,320
and

742
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,200
you know it was just it was a mystifying

743
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:24,880
experience it probably occurred over

744
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,600
maybe 10 minutes i don't know

745
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:30,720
and um so finally i decided

746
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,519
you idiot you've got a small pair of

747
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:35,360
little sports binoculars in here why

748
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,320
aren't you looking at it through

749
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,760
binoculars

750
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,519
and it hadn't occurred to me and so they

751
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,039
were down in my console so i'm

752
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,720
i didn't want to take my eyes off of it

753
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,799
so i'm reaching with my hands

754
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,559
and i finally found them and got them

755
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:48,000
out and got them out of the case and

756
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:49,120
everything

757
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:52,399
and then i

758
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:55,519
um had to just take my eyes off for a

759
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,080
minute

760
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,399
to look down to make sure i had them in

761
00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:00,480
the right direction and i mean it was

762
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,360
just a second

763
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,440
i mean maybe one second that i glanced

764
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:04,799
down and when i looked back

765
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,279
up not only was it gone but the cloud

766
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:08,640
was gone that it had been

767
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,679
like right under so i don't know what

768
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:13,120
happened there i can't explain any of

769
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,440
that

770
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:15,600
it was the most perplexing thing i was

771
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,720
so so

772
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,559
upset about it and everything i went

773
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,080
back to the clinic and actually told

774
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,240
my nurse about it and you know she was

775
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:23,679
fairly new we didn't know each other

776
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:24,320
very well

777
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,840
so you know that was i was probably

778
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,279
pretty wide-eyed about it

779
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,840
um because it just happened and

780
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,640
everything

781
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:34,240
and then i had to go you know see

782
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,760
patients the rest of the day so

783
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,840
it was it was an interesting experience

784
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,880
and you know i

785
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:40,720
since then the only time i've seen a ufo

786
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:48,549
travis walton's book fire in the sky

787
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:51,760
there's actually a plate in there of a

788
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:54,320
artist's rendition of one of his

789
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:55,200
experiences

790
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:58,159
on a ship and it shows in the background

791
00:33:06,789 --> 00:32:59,120
exactly

792
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,799
you know mirror bright ovoid craft so

793
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:08,960
anyway um but that's the only time i've

794
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,159
ever seen anything

795
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,880
in the ufo literature about it and so do

796
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:14,080
you think it was

797
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,360
kind of interacting or kind of um

798
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:19,840
moving around based on your observance

799
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:20,399
or

800
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:24,480
initially saying intelligent

801
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,720
um i felt that way you know i'm thinking

802
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:30,159
it's a mylar balloon and then

803
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,760
you know it does something to prove it's

804
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,200
not and then

805
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:35,120
i'm thinking it's a weather balloon and

806
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,640
you know and it just seemed like every

807
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:38,240
time i would come up with a rational

808
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,279
explanation

809
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:42,320
it would do something to disprove it

810
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:45,919
so um

811
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,399
i'm not saying necessarily that it was

812
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:50,000
communicating with me but it seemed that

813
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,120
way

814
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,279
although i didn't hear any voices or or

815
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:54,720
anything like that it just seemed like

816
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,519
it was

817
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,080
almost like a mischievous sort of

818
00:34:00,950 --> 00:34:00,080
interaction just to kind of blow my mind

819
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,960
again

820
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,720
you know i'm not trying to make a i'm

821
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,399
not trying to make a joke of it but you

822
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:06,080
know after all these decades you should

823
00:34:08,439 --> 00:34:06,799
know it's

824
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:08,449
never a weather balloon

825
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:10,079
[Laughter]

826
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:13,919
it's been a joke for forever yeah but

827
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,839
you know you have to you have to try to

828
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:20,159
use logic and reason otherwise every

829
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,359
little blip in the

830
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:23,760
matrix will you know send you off course

831
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,639
but

832
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,560
uh some of them are quite easily

833
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:27,760
explained

834
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:30,800
um observing them where you

835
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,000
were you actually having um

836
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,480
more and some kind of experiences you

837
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,919
know um

838
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,240
that are that gave you some kind of

839
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,839
insight or is it simply

840
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,679
one experience after another after

841
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,440
another of just observing them and then

842
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,760
that's pretty much

843
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,000
mostly with that it was just one

844
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:51,599
experience after another just

845
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,750
you know rattle my cage because like

846
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:59,440
again i you know you try to stuff all

847
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,079
this into

848
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,240
the background of your life and try to

849
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:03,839
go on and just live a normal life

850
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:07,599
you know i'm a doctor you can't be you

851
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:08,480
know

852
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:12,320
the time or talking about it certainly

853
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,200
you can't be

854
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,880
talking about her you lose credibility i

855
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,119
mean i'm kind of risking my credibility

856
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,920
just you know being on venues like this

857
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:21,200
but

858
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:22,640
after my near-death experience that's

859
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,520
one of the things i came back with was

860
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,440
knowing i had to talk about it and i

861
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:28,880
have to

862
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,839
explore it and um

863
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,599
i think there's other people out there

864
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:37,359
that are just as mystified that are just

865
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:38,000
as

866
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,320
um

867
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,240
and this this was after your near-death

868
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,839
experience correct

869
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,680
i'm sorry and this was after your

870
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,280
near-death experience that you felt like

871
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,880
you had to come out and talk about all

872
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:52,320
these things

873
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,359
yes was it

874
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,960
so again was it specifically just a

875
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:58,800
feeling that you were left with or was

876
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:59,119
there

877
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,119
specific direction and things you were

878
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,750
it's hard to explain because it's not

879
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:07,359
it's not a verbal interaction

880
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,990
it's not the way we communicate you know

881
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,440
it's not a string of

882
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,599
words or sounds it's not like that it's

883
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:18,960
just impressions

884
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,480
placed into your mind um

885
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,800
and so that's you know a major

886
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:26,400
impression i was i was left with a

887
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:27,680
couple of major impressions

888
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,880
number one that people that come to

889
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:32,320
earth choose to come to earth

890
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,200
and live a you know a physical existence

891
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:39,520
they're highly respected on that side

892
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:40,480
and

893
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:46,710
conscious entities do that um

894
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:49,359
and then the other thing was that i

895
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,079
needed to

896
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,680
share my experiences and i have i mean

897
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,160
i've you know talked about

898
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:56,079
death and dying in the checkout line at

899
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,359
walmart you know

900
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:00,560
so um yeah so it's

901
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,079
it's almost a compulsion um

902
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,400
if i don't do it you know i just get

903
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,079
this sense of

904
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,720
a buildup of stress and so it's easier

905
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,720
to just do it and

906
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,640
you know deal with the ramifications and

907
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,400
repercussions than to

908
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:19,440
to try to suppress it well so

909
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,640
basically um here we are you had your

910
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,480
neodex experience when you were a child

911
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,839
and then later on

912
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,680
uh when you were older and then of

913
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:28,960
course throughout the years

914
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:32,160
the different ufo encounters at what

915
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:33,119
stage

916
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,320
i guess observe your first bigfoot or

917
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:42,160
was that the one and only experience you

918
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:43,200
had

919
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:50,079
the first one was in august of 2001.

920
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:56,160
and it was um i mean i was within

921
00:38:03,349 --> 00:37:59,680
i'd say 100 yards of two

922
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,359
upright hominid blonde colored

923
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:04,960
kind of a reddish blonde strawberry

924
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,079
blonde colored um

925
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,920
hominids that were covered head to toe

926
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:11,280
with hair

927
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:15,520
um and i was on a turnpike

928
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,720
uh going north towards i-40

929
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,640
again in southeast oklahoma most of my

930
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:22,079
stuff happens in southeast oklahoma

931
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:22,960
apparently

932
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,240
um sounds like a hudson and

933
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,960
i had just come up over a rise and i see

934
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,560
these two

935
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:33,280
you know being striding just riding

936
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:34,560
across the field they look like they had

937
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,839
just stepped over a fence i didn't

938
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:37,200
actually see them stepping over the

939
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,079
fence

940
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:41,280
came up over the rise

941
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,560
in the road and and i see them and ones

942
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,480
like um

943
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,320
like a head shorter than the other but

944
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:50,400
they looked exactly like

945
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:53,599
otherwise um very broad shouldered

946
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:57,119
no neck um the head kind of blends

947
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,079
kind of blends down into the shoulders

948
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:06,710
they weren't running they were just kind

949
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,200
of striding rapidly they don't walk like

950
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:12,240
a human does but my first thought as i

951
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:16,320
saw them my first thought was that

952
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:20,640
it was people out in a chewaka outfit

953
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:23,920
from star wars and then i realized

954
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,320
you know it's it's august it's late

955
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,240
august it was over 100 degrees according

956
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,160
to my car thermometer

957
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:33,359
and you know nobody in their right mind

958
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:34,240
is going to be out in the middle of

959
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,040
nowhere in

960
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,240
you know podunk oklahoma in chewbacca

961
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,680
outfits and so then my next thought is

962
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,200
you know you're rapidly

963
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:43,359
running through again that rational

964
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:44,240
logical

965
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,440
trying to make sense of what you're

966
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:47,760
seeing um

967
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,880
you know i'm thinking ghillie suits

968
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,640
because i'd heard about them you know

969
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,320
with hunters and everything and i'm

970
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:56,160
discarded it for the same reason nobody

971
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,119
in their right mind is going to be out

972
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,720
there in a guilty suit i mean this was

973
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,480
there were no buildings no structures

974
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:02,400
this was just nothing but

975
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,760
you know an area where

976
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:08,160
um they had clear cut it for some reason

977
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,359
if they'd taken out

978
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,920
a forest or if they're making a field or

979
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:13,440
whatever and then there's for whatever

980
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:14,079
reason it was

981
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,599
being allowed to regrow and so it was

982
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:17,440
just like you know

983
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,079
two three foot high little scrubby oaks

984
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,079
and things like that growing out there

985
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:24,880
and um they were striding into a thicker

986
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:27,440
denser area of taller trees

987
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,480
so i mean obviously i slowed down i'm

988
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,560
trying to get a really good look

989
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,280
um it's a turnpike you can't turn around

990
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:37,040
and go back i didn't have a camera i

991
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:38,160
didn't have binoculars

992
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,680
so um you know once i rubber necked and

993
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,839
and watched them as far as i could until

994
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,760
they strung into those trees i saw no

995
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:47,359
reason to try to break the law and go

996
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,640
back

997
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,000
because i knew i wouldn't see them again

998
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:53,200
but you know they were

999
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,800
they were not a person in a suit

1000
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:59,040
as i watched them i could see i don't

1001
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,160
know if you know what the trapezius

1002
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,839
muscle is in the back it's that big

1003
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:04,160
it's a kind of a kite shaped muscle that

1004
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,359
forms much of your

1005
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,880
outer layer of your musculature of your

1006
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,800
back and

1007
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:11,040
the the hair that hung down off of that

1008
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,160
was longer than

1009
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:14,319
it was like a cape almost and you could

1010
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:15,440
actually see the bunching of their

1011
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,880
muscles as they stride you can see the

1012
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,000
bunching of the muscles

1013
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:21,680
under um under their

1014
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,470
hair

1015
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:24,800
[Music]

1016
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,400
so it was definitely a creature a living

1017
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:30,160
creature they didn't have a snout

1018
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,599
there was nothing sticking i mean i

1019
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,000
couldn't see the face so much except in

1020
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,720
profile but there was no big snout

1021
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:38,240
sticking out or anything like that they

1022
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,119
were upright

1023
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,319
they were big and

1024
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,880
you know it just blew my mind i didn't

1025
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,760
know what i'd seen

1026
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:48,079
at that point i had no concept that

1027
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,440
bigfoot had ever been seen

1028
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,440
in our area of the country i didn't

1029
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,880
really believe in bigfoot

1030
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,800
i was open-minded i guess about it you

1031
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:56,880
know yeti bigfoot all that but

1032
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,359
i didn't really you know i'm a i'll

1033
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,160
believe it when i see it type of person

1034
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,720
and i hadn't seen it yet but it didn't

1035
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:06,480
even occur to me that it was bigfoot i

1036
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,960
thought

1037
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,640
you know i'm thinking did i just see

1038
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:10,240
into another dimension did i see into

1039
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,599
the past you know

1040
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:14,160
am i am i seeing prehistory what am i

1041
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,520
seeing i don't know

1042
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,880
i just you know scratched my head and

1043
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:18,720
went on but then

1044
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,270
i won't go into why i was lost in the

1045
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:29,040
mountains of southeast oklahoma but

1046
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,319
there are mountains there

1047
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:33,200
the ouachita mountains and again it was

1048
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,240
a very hot day

1049
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:36,079
and i had my second flat tire of the day

1050
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,280
and i started walking

1051
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,160
in a very remote wilderness area trying

1052
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,240
to

1053
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:44,079
it was a time when they were just coming

1054
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:45,280
out with flip phones

1055
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,319
and you had call roaming and

1056
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,800
cut call dropping and i was just trying

1057
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:51,920
to get to a place

1058
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,920
where i was high enough to um there

1059
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:55,520
weren't very many cell phone towers and

1060
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:56,720
i was just trying to get to

1061
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,680
a place where i had reception and by the

1062
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:01,599
time i got to that area then

1063
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:04,800
my cell phone was almost dead and it was

1064
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,680
after dark

1065
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:08,640
and things were getting a little scary i

1066
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,680
hadn't been able to get through to

1067
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,599
anyone so i finally called 9-1-1 and

1068
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:13,680
there was a there's a boost on 9-1-1

1069
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:17,200
just need an emergency

1070
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:20,880
it's kind of boosted so um i finally got

1071
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:21,200
to

1072
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:25,040
sending some deputy shares from

1073
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,960
the county to come look for me and and

1074
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,560
everything so

1075
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,720
the only source of light i had and the

1076
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,760
only

1077
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:34,160
thing to tell me time was my pager i

1078
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,440
still have my pager on because i've been

1079
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:37,280
at the hospital that morning

1080
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:40,720
and so um

1081
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,000
i was dehydrated i'd walked uh probably

1082
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,040
about 10 miles at that point in the heat

1083
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,160
of the afternoon and um it was over 100

1084
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:51,760
degrees

1085
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:54,480
and i was fat and out of shape and you

1086
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,280
know i was pretty

1087
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:57,119
in pretty rough shape i at that point

1088
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:58,560
lost one of my flip flops

1089
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,710
when it turned dark i broke a big stick

1090
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,400
off of a tree and was trying to feel my

1091
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:08,160
way because i was falling into ravines

1092
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:09,119
and culverts

1093
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:12,960
not culverts but um just ruts and things

1094
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,000
like that

1095
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,040
on this old forest trail and so

1096
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,520
anyway about two in the morning i

1097
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,800
finally

1098
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:23,359
learned that they knew where i was at

1099
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:24,160
and

1100
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:27,440
i needed to stay put

1101
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,520
and so um i sat down

1102
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,359
and i don't know if i slept i can't

1103
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,520
imagine i slept because earlier

1104
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:37,280
in the night i'd heard some things that

1105
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:38,640
made me think i was being

1106
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,560
stalked by a a mountain lion

1107
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,319
a cougar because i've had experience

1108
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:46,480
with cougars and

1109
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,760
anyway i was concerned about that and

1110
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,359
so i can't imagine that i fell asleep

1111
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,359
but i may have i was exhausted

1112
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,720
i may have passed out i don't know i

1113
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:57,599
just know that i came to my senses

1114
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,240
with something sniffing me in the face

1115
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,440
and

1116
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,680
the most ranked smell you can imagine

1117
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,119
and

1118
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:08,079
um you know i'm thinking mountain lion

1119
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,440
because that's what i

1120
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,760
you know sat down thinking i had to be

1121
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,280
careful of

1122
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,319
so i came up swinging with my big stick

1123
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:19,280
and it wasn't a mountain lion it was

1124
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:20,400
huge it was

1125
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,599
um dark and there was no moon so i

1126
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,119
really couldn't see

1127
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,760
details at all all i could see is when

1128
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:29,520
it ran up the slope

1129
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,040
um and blocked out the stars

1130
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:36,079
then i could see that um it was massive

1131
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:39,040
and it was on two definitely on two legs

1132
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:40,720
and

1133
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:43,680
anyway it over the next about 30 minutes

1134
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:44,960
or so

1135
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:48,560
um it kept trying to sneak up on me

1136
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,520
and it would come in different

1137
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,920
directions and i was using you know

1138
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,599
when i was out in the woods i was using

1139
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,119
my hearing my

1140
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,960
vision wasn't working at all the only

1141
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,560
time like my vision didn't even any good

1142
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,839
is when it got close enough that it was

1143
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:01,040
blotting out the stars

1144
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,720
and then i could see that you know it

1145
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,640
was very tall

1146
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,599
very wide very big you know i couldn't

1147
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,720
see enough detail to see that it was

1148
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:09,839
covered in hair but it was

1149
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:13,040
all one color and um you know there were

1150
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,480
no features or details

1151
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:17,200
you know no clothing nothing like that

1152
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,119
so

1153
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:21,760
anyway every time i'd get close because

1154
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:22,800
the first time i

1155
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,319
swung at it with a stick it you know

1156
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,319
charged off every time it would get too

1157
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,760
close to me i would just scream and

1158
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:30,880
stomp and yell again

1159
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,400
and just charge it um you know i just

1160
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:36,800
figured i was dead

1161
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,839
um it was it was a culmination of a

1162
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:41,599
really bad day and i just figured i was

1163
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,000
dead

1164
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,839
and after about 30 minutes of this i

1165
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,520
couldn't take it anymore i just like

1166
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:48,000
felt like i had a sense of i just didn't

1167
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,520
need to be there anymore and i didn't

1168
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,960
care if it jumped on me i was just too

1169
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,040
tired i was just going to walk away

1170
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,760
and so i started feeling my way you know

1171
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,240
down this forest road again

1172
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,200
with my stick and my one flip-flop and

1173
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,720
they said i walked another two miles

1174
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,680
after that

1175
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,520
um and it was about four in the morning

1176
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:08,079
when they finally caught up with me

1177
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:16,230
the deputy sheriffs had to almost ruin

1178
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,119
their brand new

1179
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,480
uh suv their jeep suv two wheel drive

1180
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,960
can imagine in the back roads yeah

1181
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,960
two-wheel drive suv this was a

1182
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,559
a forest service road that had been

1183
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:29,040
allowed to just kind of

1184
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,880
you know decay so it had been a road at

1185
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,599
one point

1186
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:36,079
for forestry but it wasn't in good shape

1187
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:37,040
and so anyway they

1188
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:38,160
they finally caught up to me in their

1189
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,920
little jeep cherokee and um

1190
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,599
so they asked me why i didn't stay where

1191
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:45,119
i told him i was at which was a fork in

1192
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,839
the road and

1193
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:48,480
you know and i said i couldn't you know

1194
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,280
i'm like

1195
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,839
you know almost hysterical there's this

1196
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,680
really huge thing that was stinky and

1197
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,800
smelly and

1198
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,240
they didn't know what to think about me

1199
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,000
they they just were like

1200
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:00,800
scratching their head um and then they

1201
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,520
didn't have any water

1202
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:05,119
they hadn't brought any water and they

1203
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:06,559
said well the forest service guys that

1204
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,760
are coming up behind us

1205
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,520
have some water and so they they came up

1206
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,200
right then and they did have water and

1207
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,880
so i'm drinking and i'm

1208
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,000
you know still explaining to the

1209
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:16,000
deputies why i left and the forest

1210
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,359
service guys are hearing this and

1211
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,040
they're like well that's bigfoot

1212
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,960
and i'm like we don't have bigfoot in

1213
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:22,720
oklahoma you know i heard a bigfoot up

1214
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:23,119
in

1215
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,040
um i'd never seen the legend of boggy

1216
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:32,880
creek i'd never

1217
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,440
i just had no knowledge of any of that

1218
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:37,920
and so

1219
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,960
anyway they said yeah it is it's seen

1220
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,800
around here all the time

1221
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,880
and so then it just made sense it made

1222
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:46,319
sense what had happened to me that night

1223
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,680
it made sense what i'd seen the year

1224
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,359
prior

1225
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,520
you know that that whole thing and then

1226
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:53,920
in 2007 i had my third sighting and it

1227
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:54,559
was

1228
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,760
um

1229
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,359
i went back later and measured it it's

1230
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:01,119
about 60 feet

1231
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,680
you know it was in twilight but it

1232
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:05,119
wasn't darkness

1233
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:08,240
and um you know no doubt about it

1234
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:11,839
i i can't deny they exist um

1235
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:15,200
so you know but again that's the last

1236
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:16,000
time i saw bigfoot

1237
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,559
was 2007. last time i saw ufo was about

1238
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:20,079
2012.

1239
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,200
that was a triangular one so

1240
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,559
um it doesn't plague me anymore

1241
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,640
but it's kind of sad because i really

1242
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,160
think i've

1243
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:32,000
i've read enough about it now you know

1244
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,359
i've read enough about bigfoot

1245
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,520
they don't usually hurt people you know

1246
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,040
i've read enough about ufos

1247
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:39,200
that i think you know if a ufo landed

1248
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,240
out in the front yard and

1249
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:41,920
aliens got out of it i'd go up and shake

1250
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,559
their hand or you know say hi

1251
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,640
and you know if bigfoot came out of the

1252
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,640
woods i think i'd be okay with it i'd

1253
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,240
just probably be cautious and try to

1254
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:52,319
observe it like i would any

1255
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:55,520
unknown you know entity but i don't

1256
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,240
think i would

1257
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,480
freak out and and everything like that

1258
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,800
so but now i don't have the opportunity

1259
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:03,440
because i haven't seen either one in

1260
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:04,000
years

1261
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,599
so anyway well i know

1262
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:09,760
go ahead well i was just gonna say i

1263
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,640
think that's what all these

1264
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,480
experiences are about is helping me

1265
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,000
overcome fear

1266
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,760
every one of them has helped me overcome

1267
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,000
fear and even talking on

1268
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,319
you know i'm an introvert even talking

1269
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,319
like i am right now

1270
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,880
talking publicly about all this you know

1271
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,880
it's uh it's overcoming fear

1272
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:28,960
and so that's what it's that's what a

1273
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:29,920
lot of this is about

1274
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,359
it's you know

1275
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:35,119
well i know we're going we're starting

1276
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,480
off a bit backwards

1277
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,880
but um because you mentioned earlier

1278
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,720
about you know you didn't want to attain

1279
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,480
to your reputation can you go a little

1280
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:43,920
bit about

1281
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,800
which field of medicine and your doctor

1282
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:48,640
off and maybe a little bit over details

1283
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,359
about that

1284
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,599
there's somebody in comments asking if

1285
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,040
there's any relations to

1286
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:55,200
dr stephen grier so maybe you can

1287
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,480
clarify you can clarify that

1288
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:00,559
not to my knowledge other than most

1289
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:03,839
griers were once clan mcgregor

1290
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,720
and apparently clan mcgregor got in

1291
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,440
trouble with

1292
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:10,240
some english king to the point where if

1293
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,280
you admitted to be

1294
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,280
being clan mcgregor you were going to be

1295
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,200
beheaded or something so

1296
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,440
um a lot of people changed their names

1297
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:18,960
and greer was one of the ones that

1298
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,599
people took and so that's the only

1299
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:25,440
might be a connection there but not to

1300
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,640
my knowledge

1301
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,559
i don't know him and i'm not related to

1302
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:30,240
him and i'm sorry what was the first

1303
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,520
part of the question

1304
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,760
uh just about your medical background

1305
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:35,200
too because i know

1306
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:39,760
as you were saying i'm a pediatrician um

1307
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,680
i kind of did things backwards i went to

1308
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,680
college and got a degree in biology and

1309
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,599
chemistry and then did some graduate

1310
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:48,960
work at the university of houston where

1311
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:49,280
i

1312
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,800
because they were the houston cougars

1313
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,480
and um

1314
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,480
then i just had a pretty normal life for

1315
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:04,160
a while and became a medical

1316
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,359
technologist

1317
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,119
and then when i was 33 i went to medical

1318
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,880
school and i'm a board-certified

1319
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:10,240
pediatrician

1320
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:14,240
i've been practicing now since 1998

1321
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,839
as a pediatrician so it's been a while

1322
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:19,200
um

1323
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,040
and that's so do you ever i mean

1324
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,880
um i don't mean as a joke but do you

1325
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,200
ever bring any of that stuff

1326
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:29,040
stuff up with patients would you just

1327
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:30,720
kind of strictly stick to doctor

1328
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:31,680
business and

1329
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:35,280
leaving it at that since the near death

1330
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,000
experience

1331
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:39,040
i have brought up some things um one

1332
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,480
for one thing after the near death

1333
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:42,720
experience for several years

1334
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:46,079
i was seeing ghosts at work and

1335
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:50,000
to the point where it was alarming me um

1336
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,599
and so i would talk to the nurses about

1337
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,200
it because there had been

1338
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,880
nurses that had mentioned that the

1339
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,319
nursery was haunted and

1340
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:58,000
various things like that and there are

1341
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:59,200
certain parts of the hospital they were

1342
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,160
known to be

1343
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:02,319
quote unquote haunted and i never had

1344
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:03,760
paid much attention to it but after my

1345
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:04,640
near-death

1346
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,839
experience i started seeing things and

1347
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,920
i mean we're talking full body things

1348
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,440
that would then i was i mean on three

1349
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,119
occasions i actually spoke to them for

1350
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,559
heaven's sakes i mean how much more real

1351
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:16,880
could they have seemed to me than that

1352
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,680
one of them out of its way and then it

1353
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,800
disappeared

1354
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,480
you know so i spoke to it and moved out

1355
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:23,599
of its way and then it just like

1356
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:24,480
disappeared

1357
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:27,760
so um you know you can't explain stuff

1358
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,000
like

1359
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:30,480
that so i've talked to the nurses about

1360
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,119
the ghosts

1361
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,119
i've you know opened up a bit about

1362
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:35,040
bigfoot at work

1363
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,800
um and some about ufos

1364
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,880
but only to select people i mean you

1365
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,160
have to really be careful

1366
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:44,400
and not really to patients i have shared

1367
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,359
with um

1368
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,119
some people the near-death experience

1369
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:49,040
and the idea that

1370
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,480
you know it's not the end of us that

1371
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:52,800
we're eternal and

1372
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,079
um you know we persist even

1373
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:58,400
after we shed this body that sort of

1374
00:54:03,190 --> 00:53:59,760
thing but um

1375
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:06,150
so i said basically do you mean like you

1376
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:07,760
said people are a lot more open

1377
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:10,319
about this but specifically in your

1378
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,040
field

1379
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,720
do you find that to be the same case or

1380
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,119
is it still everything you know let's

1381
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:17,280
stick to science can this be proven is

1382
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,160
there is there

1383
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:21,440
uh proof like video photo whatever uh

1384
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:24,559
what is the atmosphere

1385
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:27,599
is purely anecdotal and medicine is very

1386
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:28,559
strict

1387
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,839
as far as anecdotal things um you know i

1388
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,200
can't prove any of it

1389
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:35,359
it's all i mean i can if they still have

1390
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:38,400
the 911 tapes i can prove that sort of

1391
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:39,280
thing

1392
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:43,839
um but you know i can't

1393
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,920
i can't really prove any of it so

1394
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,520
i don't talk about it with my colleagues

1395
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:51,440
too much i mean i talked to them some

1396
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,799
about the near death experience because

1397
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:54,559
it was pretty profound but

1398
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:57,280
um i don't talk about the ufo and

1399
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,559
bigfoot because you know they're

1400
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,880
scientists and i just

1401
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:03,280
being of a scientific bent myself i just

1402
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:05,599
know how they would think about it and

1403
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,520
you know you're afraid that it's gonna

1404
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,200
cause them to

1405
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,400
perceive you differently um and maybe

1406
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:15,119
doubt your ability to judge things and

1407
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,240
so

1408
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:18,640
you know it's a risk becoming public

1409
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:19,520
about all this

1410
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:22,559
but you know i'm 63 so

1411
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,799
you know i i just feel like if i had to

1412
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:25,839
retire i could

1413
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:28,720
and um you know i just i feel like it's

1414
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,319
important i think reality is not what we

1415
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,079
think it is i think we need to figure it

1416
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,920
out and i think it's by talking to

1417
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:34,640
people

1418
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:38,000
that are experiencers that

1419
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:39,760
will have a direction to go in order to

1420
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,200
figure it out

1421
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,160
so you know i just think it's important

1422
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:45,760
for people that do have something to

1423
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,319
lose

1424
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,079
to make this public so that we can

1425
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,799
get other people that you know in all

1426
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,799
walks of life not just you know doctors

1427
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,480
lawyers

1428
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,559
federal judges whatever that would have

1429
00:56:02,470 --> 00:55:59,680
a lot to lose

1430
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:02,480
you know if they became public but uh

1431
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:03,280
you know

1432
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,920
were crucified for a while i mean

1433
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:09,599
you just have to be careful but at the

1434
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,079
same time until we make this

1435
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:14,559
acceptable to discuss we're not going to

1436
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,760
understand reality we're not going to

1437
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:17,119
understand consciousness we're not going

1438
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:18,400
to understand what these different

1439
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,839
modalities

1440
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,920
are that are trying to wake us up to

1441
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:23,359
something

1442
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:26,480
beyond the ordinary that um

1443
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:30,559
we seem to be missing so

1444
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:33,760
i don't know what i wanted to

1445
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:36,400
we'll see it's never too late you know

1446
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:37,599
and and um

1447
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,599
um you know for you coming out now

1448
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,359
and having a scientific background so

1449
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,630
when you know when most of us most

1450
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,319
people that i know that are into

1451
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:52,880
you know any of these modals whether it

1452
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,599
would be

1453
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:55,599
you know bigfoot or aliens all these

1454
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:58,160
other things you know uh

1455
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:01,119
no one that i specifically know uh that

1456
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,240
is close to me

1457
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,000
is rejecting science of course we want

1458
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,079
to kind of bridge that gap and figure

1459
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:08,559
out how can we prove this scientifically

1460
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,359
but

1461
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:11,200
for example in my case it would require

1462
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:12,640
me then kind of putting everything on

1463
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,200
hold

1464
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,119
going back to school and then learning

1465
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,799
all that needs to be learned

1466
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,880
you know while on top of that maybe

1467
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:20,480
cramming all this other stuff into my

1468
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,520
head about

1469
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,119
all the experiences i've had and all

1470
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:25,119
this other stuff so you know

1471
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,319
um maybe with your background and

1472
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:31,040
you know you you might help bridge this

1473
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,160
gap a little bit

1474
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:35,040
so for example i would have i mean for

1475
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:36,240
example like the way you

1476
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,520
describe the muscles of these um uh uh

1477
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:41,599
two creatures you know too bigfoot

1478
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,040
you've seen you know i

1479
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,200
would just say oh their muscles were

1480
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,200
moving but you can identify

1481
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,839
which muscle how it moved and all these

1482
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:51,119
other things to where

1483
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,319
you know it gives more details more

1484
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:56,880
more of a validity to to deciding do you

1485
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,960
understand what i mean

1486
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:01,440
yes i do i mean they were very pretty i

1487
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:02,000
have to say

1488
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,520
you know you think of bigfoot as being

1489
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,599
all tangled and snarled and dark-haired

1490
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:07,680
but they weren't they were beautiful

1491
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,960
they had flowing silky hair like a

1492
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,960
really pretty irish setter you know when

1493
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,240
they're walking that

1494
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,520
that rippling of the hair and the

1495
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:17,520
muscles um

1496
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:20,559
they were pretty right

1497
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,079
i mean um it wasn't you know

1498
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,720
the usual concept of bigfoot but yeah i

1499
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:29,040
understand that i mean

1500
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:32,079
and being able to know because

1501
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,440
my background even though i had a degree

1502
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:36,160
in biology it was more like zoology and

1503
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,680
you know i studied animal behavior and

1504
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,680
things like that and so

1505
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,359
you know i kind of know what's out there

1506
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:43,200
i was kind of a naturalist i guess

1507
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,559
you know a little bit and you know

1508
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,640
i know what's out there and what makes

1509
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,160
sense and what doesn't make sense

1510
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,319
so it helps having that but at the same

1511
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,400
time

1512
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,760
over the years because of all the things

1513
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,760
that have happened to me i also

1514
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:59,440
recognize science doesn't have the

1515
00:59:08,630 --> 00:58:59,920
answer

1516
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:08,640
but i don't think we're going to find it

1517
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:11,599
in the conventional ways it's going to

1518
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:12,240
take

1519
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:15,920
some thinking outside the box um

1520
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,559
so what would what did you gather

1521
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:20,160
basically from all these different

1522
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,040
experiences

1523
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:24,319
um all the things you uh uh observed

1524
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,680
uh what do you gather from overall uh

1525
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,760
from from all of that is it just do you

1526
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:31,359
still just look at it as these

1527
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:34,400
you know uh random wow events and

1528
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:36,000
leaving it at that or you where you're

1529
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:38,240
kind of able to draw a bigger picture

1530
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:38,880
for yourself

1531
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:41,440
maybe especially with with the more of

1532
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:43,119
that in-depth experience of the

1533
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:51,829
i i think consciousness is not limited

1534
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,640
to the brain

1535
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,200
and the physical mechanism of the brain

1536
00:59:58,829 --> 00:59:57,040
i think the mind is not limited to the

1537
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:58,839
brain the physical mechanism of the

1538
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:01,119
brain

1539
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:04,640
what it is i don't know but i think we

1540
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,160
persist beyond you know

1541
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:10,480
the physical body so that's one of the

1542
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,720
takeaways i have um

1543
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,559
part of it's getting over fear and

1544
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:17,839
learning that love is

1545
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:21,280
more important than fear um i still have

1546
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:22,000
a hard time

1547
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,440
it's not like i'm sitting around

1548
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:25,599
meditating all the time you know

1549
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:28,960
being in a great mood i'm not

1550
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,799
if anybody should know you know what

1551
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:32,000
it's like out there and

1552
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,520
and should be you know the perfect

1553
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,839
person uh you know it should be somebody

1554
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:37,359
that's had a near-death experience but

1555
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,000
you get back

1556
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:40,400
you get caught up in life again and you

1557
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:41,040
know that

1558
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,799
back in the old rat race of being in the

1559
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:45,040
physical body and all of its limitations

1560
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:46,240
and

1561
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:53,990
but having had those experiences it also

1562
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:55,200
allows you to be

1563
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:58,400
shaken out of the ordinary

1564
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:01,599
and to perceive things differently i i

1565
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:03,200
see things on so many different levels

1566
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:04,000
now

1567
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,000
or something like that and

1568
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:12,480
think about it from the ordinary you

1569
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,359
know

1570
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:16,079
viewpoint that most people would have

1571
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:17,760
because i am a human being as well i can

1572
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,799
share that viewpoint

1573
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:20,480
but then i can also look at other

1574
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,000
aspects of it that um

1575
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:26,160
you know that that type of overview has

1576
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:27,359
been given to me because of the

1577
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,960
experiences i've had

1578
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:30,640
that you know it's not all tragedy it's

1579
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:33,599
not all loss there is no end

1580
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:36,400
so when someone dies then you know it's

1581
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:37,839
sorrowful and everything because you'll

1582
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:38,880
miss them but

1583
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:42,160
it's it's not the end of everything um

1584
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:43,839
an aspect of them persists i'm not

1585
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,680
saying they persist in the personality

1586
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,799
and ego

1587
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,319
you know that we all have here on earth

1588
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,640
but there's an aspect

1589
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:52,319
aspect that would be recognizable that

1590
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:58,390
so um i wanted to ask you then

1591
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,520
um this this one this

1592
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:03,200
one last question unless there's

1593
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,640
something more that you would like to

1594
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,799
discuss and cover but i wanted to just

1595
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,480
tell everyone else watching

1596
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:10,720
pretty soon we're going to go into q a

1597
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:12,319
so if you would like to talk to linda

1598
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:13,520
directly

1599
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:15,680
please log in through telegram either on

1600
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:17,359
your computer or

1601
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,119
phone and um find the ufo hub

1602
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:23,280
group um the link is also in this

1603
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,160
description

1604
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,960
below uh the video with or if you're on

1605
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:28,720
facebook it's actually descriptions

1606
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,440
above

1607
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:32,160
so join the chat you'll see that uh it's

1608
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,280
already going on

1609
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,760
and just uh tap that little person with

1610
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:37,680
the raised hand and they'll tell me that

1611
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:39,200
you're in the queue and wanting to ask a

1612
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,160
question

1613
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,720
otherwise you can simply just comment if

1614
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:43,920
you could please put

1615
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:46,799
three stars down before you ask a

1616
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:48,319
question so i know it's actually

1617
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,559
directed towards the guest and they'll

1618
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:51,920
help me out a great deal

1619
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:55,200
so go ahead please do that now but linda

1620
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:57,039
i wanted to ask

1621
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:58,640
if it wasn't for your near-death

1622
01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:00,160
experience as a child

1623
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:02,079
do you think that kind of opened up for

1624
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,520
you to be able to

1625
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:05,520
to see all these different things like

1626
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:06,559
the craft

1627
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:09,280
and bigfoot and and all of that or do

1628
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:09,680
you

1629
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,760
destined to just have these

1630
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:15,359
random occurrences that could it will

1631
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,359
happen to you

1632
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:19,680
i don't know because you know i've had

1633
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:20,799
some missing time

1634
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,359
you know i've seen ufos things like that

1635
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:25,119
but yet my family doesn't have it so

1636
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:26,640
when you hear about people that have a

1637
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,880
lot of ufo experiences and missing time

1638
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:30,799
and alien abductions i mean i have no

1639
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:32,240
recollection of any kind of alien

1640
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:34,000
abduction or anything like that

1641
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,799
and uh really no family you know

1642
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:38,720
recollections of those sort of things so

1643
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:40,559
was that what triggered it for me i i

1644
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:41,920
really don't know but

1645
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:46,160
quite likely uh i just really don't know

1646
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:49,200
but um i wanted to just mention one

1647
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,839
other thing

1648
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,839
um because you asked me kind of what the

1649
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:53,440
bottom line was

1650
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:55,119
i had another experience that i would

1651
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,640
call a transformative or

1652
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:58,880
mystical experience and i won't go into

1653
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:00,079
it unless somebody's really interested

1654
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:01,760
about it but

1655
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:05,920
i'll just you know bottom line was

1656
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:09,359
i was briefly for just a little over 24

1657
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:10,319
hours

1658
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:11,599
able to see how everything was

1659
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:13,599
interconnected and it was

1660
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:14,880
without benefit of any kind of

1661
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,839
hallucinogenic anything

1662
01:04:21,350 --> 01:04:19,520
to my knowledge unless somebody slipped

1663
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:21,360
me something but um

1664
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:22,880
[Music]

1665
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:25,520
everything's connected and that's also

1666
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:26,640
another thing i took away from my

1667
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:27,839
near-death experiences

1668
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:30,480
everything's connected uh it's hard to

1669
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:31,440
explain

1670
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:35,280
um and since the near-death experiences

1671
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:37,920
i see things that i didn't see before um

1672
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:39,039
not just ghosts which

1673
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:41,119
that only happened for maybe three years

1674
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:43,039
after afterwards and then it's kind of

1675
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:45,280
faded i still see things but

1676
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,599
you know not full body apparitions i

1677
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:49,200
guess that i talked to

1678
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:52,480
but i still see energy that i didn't

1679
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:53,119
used to see

1680
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:56,480
and you know things that i'm really

1681
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:57,920
mystified by and that's

1682
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,240
part of my exploration at this point is

1683
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:02,640
trying to figure out what these are and

1684
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:05,760
is it meaningful is it

1685
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,599
something that can be measured is it

1686
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:09,359
something that i'm seeing is it a new

1687
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:10,400
sense

1688
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,960
you know what exactly is it but i mean

1689
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:14,880
literally for 24 hours i was able to see

1690
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:16,480
that everything was connected

1691
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:17,680
i was connected to everything it was

1692
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:20,400
like being in a um

1693
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:23,599
kind of a wireframe sort of situation

1694
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:26,319
where you know you move your hand and

1695
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:27,599
there's a whole bunch of connections to

1696
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,400
your hand

1697
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:31,440
everything in your visual field is um

1698
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:34,000
connected to you and it's hard to

1699
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:34,559
explain

1700
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:37,839
i mean it was a very unique experience

1701
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:41,280
but you know

1702
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,119
it it left me with the feeling that

1703
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:45,280
everything in the universe is connected

1704
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:49,520
everything you know you i you know

1705
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:53,200
and you get these weird insights i can't

1706
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:54,640
explain it

1707
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:58,640
um after having experiences like this

1708
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:01,280
you get a lot of weird just

1709
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:04,400
insights that just pop into your head

1710
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:06,160
and you don't know where they come from

1711
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:08,480
but they're interesting to ponder you

1712
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:10,000
can't prove it but they're interesting

1713
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:12,000
to think about

1714
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:15,280
but that was another takeaway

1715
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:18,000
everything's connected can you go maybe

1716
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:18,799
into

1717
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:21,520
one one specific one for example

1718
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:22,240
something

1719
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:24,480
i would assume you mean insights that's

1720
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:26,319
something you usually didn't think about

1721
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,440
but then

1722
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:29,440
it would just come to you and then make

1723
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:30,960
you look at it in a different way is

1724
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:33,839
this is that what you're talking about

1725
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,520
okay so part of what i see is after that

1726
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:39,280
experience that that would have happened

1727
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:42,400
in about 2010 i think

1728
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:44,799
where i had the 24 hours of seeing

1729
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:46,319
everything connected

1730
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,319
um and it was like connected with like

1731
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:50,319
golden copper

1732
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:52,240
what appeared to be filaments it's hard

1733
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:53,440
to explain that

1734
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,640
seemed so real to me i was afraid i was

1735
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:56,000
going to trip over them that sort of

1736
01:07:04,630 --> 01:06:57,839
thing they seemed quite real

1737
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,990
tell me again your question because i've

1738
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,000
lost the train sorry i was just saying

1739
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,160
if you could maybe share uh some of

1740
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:12,319
those different insights i mean besides

1741
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,599
that everything is connected

1742
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:16,079
just something else that was it just

1743
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:17,359
things you weren't aware of

1744
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:20,480
before yeah okay so i was sitting on the

1745
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,760
patio

1746
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:24,480
and i was watching my cat luna and she

1747
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:25,599
was walking across

1748
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:29,039
the patio and

1749
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,480
since that occurrence since that

1750
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,720
occurrence with the interconnectedness

1751
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:34,079
of everything

1752
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:35,599
i can see these little filaments that

1753
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:37,280
seem to come out of my fingers and seem

1754
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:38,720
to come out of trees and

1755
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:40,880
twigs and leaves and everything i mean

1756
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:42,079
if i

1757
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,319
focus in a certain way i can i can see

1758
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:46,240
these things and they're

1759
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:49,119
they're more like a distortion than they

1760
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:49,440
are

1761
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:52,160
a physical looking thing it's just a

1762
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,440
it's hard to explain they're like little

1763
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:55,359
filaments that come out of everything

1764
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:59,119
and i was watching her walk across

1765
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:01,039
the patio and these little filaments

1766
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:02,319
coming out of her and

1767
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:03,599
you know they were coming out of her

1768
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:05,200
whiskers out of her guard hairs i could

1769
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,079
really see them

1770
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,880
in the semi darkness and it just

1771
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:10,960
occurred to me that

1772
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:14,480
what appeared to be her walking across a

1773
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:15,520
patio

1774
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:18,640
was really incoming energy

1775
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:22,319
that was acting upon like a

1776
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:25,600
like a matrix like there's like the

1777
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,560
universe exists

1778
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:29,120
as a as a single thing and it's the

1779
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:36,070
these omni potential particles

1780
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:39,279
that make us have the sense that we are

1781
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:41,839
actually walking talking breathing

1782
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:42,719
moving

1783
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:44,960
um when i move my hand across you know

1784
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:46,400
from right to left

1785
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:49,279
it's actually an interaction of energy

1786
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,239
going into

1787
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:53,679
a physical i don't know i mean i can see

1788
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,960
it in my mind but it's hard for me to

1789
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:56,319
explain because it doesn't make any

1790
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:57,440
sense

1791
01:09:01,269 --> 01:09:00,000
but it's like like the holodeck you know

1792
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:01,279
on star trek

1793
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:05,359
um i'm probably dating myself but

1794
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:08,159
the idea that it's an energy going into

1795
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:09,199
an interface

1796
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:11,440
that's creating what we perceive as

1797
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:12,719
reality

1798
01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:15,040
that it's not truly physical it's just

1799
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:17,359
an energy

1800
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,640
and we perc perceive it the way we do

1801
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:22,400
because that's how we're wired does that

1802
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:24,159
make sense yeah i don't know if it makes

1803
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,600
sense

1804
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:28,080
well melinda um i have a first question

1805
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:29,520
if if you want to get into

1806
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:32,239
into those and sure if something else

1807
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:33,679
comes to mind please don't

1808
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:36,159
don't hesitate to share but this one is

1809
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,040
from

1810
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:39,600
m wing asking linda do you think that

1811
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:43,199
you could be a contact tee

1812
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:46,640
if i am i'm not aware of it um

1813
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:49,120
i did have missing time and so it's

1814
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:49,839
possible

1815
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:51,920
i've tried hypnosis i've had no success

1816
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:53,679
with it so

1817
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:56,400
you know if i am i'm not aware of it

1818
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:57,520
okay

1819
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,840
uh this one is uh gonna be on on

1820
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,000
telegram

1821
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:04,560
nathan to raise this hand nathan mute

1822
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:05,360
yourself and

1823
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:12,790
yes hello uh can you hear me okay yes

1824
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:16,560
we hear you just fine okay um

1825
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:18,640
yes i i resonated with a lot of what

1826
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:19,920
you're saying i i've

1827
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:22,080
i and i've i feel like i've been

1828
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,760
recently more recently here than than

1829
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:25,040
ever before coming to similar

1830
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,080
conclusions or

1831
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:28,640
or finding the same value in the the

1832
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:30,239
insights you were speaking of

1833
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:32,000
here recently um one of the things that

1834
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:33,600
i was kind of worried about

1835
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,400
here is that you know like you're like

1836
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,920
like so now it always seems like it

1837
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,280
seems like now is the time like now is

1838
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:41,280
the time it's a big shift happening

1839
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:44,719
um and and as you said that

1840
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,880
you would think somebody who has had a

1841
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:48,239
near-death experience would come back

1842
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,800
and be

1843
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,560
like the perfect human but you're not

1844
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,640
you fall back into the the

1845
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,560
the grind the daily grind of life and

1846
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:56,159
you start and you know what to do you

1847
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:57,520
know what to do to be better everybody

1848
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:58,239
does

1849
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:01,040
um now how like what kind of insights

1850
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,400
how did you come to that

1851
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:04,880
realization and how important is it that

1852
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:05,520
we be

1853
01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:08,080
as perfect as we can be right now do do

1854
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:09,199
you understand what i'm trying to ask

1855
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:10,800
like how did you get to that

1856
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:12,480
because i know you said it you fall back

1857
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:14,000
into the daily grind but how

1858
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,840
how important is it that we that we try

1859
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:17,600
to be as perfect as possible

1860
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,880
because i don't i don't think we have to

1861
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:21,840
strive for

1862
01:11:26,229 --> 01:11:24,719
perfection um you know i don't think

1863
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:26,239
that's expected of us

1864
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,840
you know one of the things i also took

1865
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,840
away from the nerds experience is that

1866
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:31,280
there is no hell

1867
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:34,640
um there's no way that the place where i

1868
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:36,080
went and all that love

1869
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,840
that hell could even be a concept of

1870
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,080
that i mean i just i'm sorry i just i

1871
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:42,320
can't believe in hell i think it's a

1872
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:45,440
it's a human construction only

1873
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:48,400
but um you know i think we just have to

1874
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:49,840
strive to be the best we can

1875
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:52,480
and constantly reign ourselves in and

1876
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:55,600
not allow that um

1877
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,040
the ego and the biological

1878
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:01,360
animal that we are to be at the

1879
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:02,159
forefront

1880
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:06,719
to try to consciously um

1881
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:09,600
interact with a higher self or whatever

1882
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:10,560
you want to call it

1883
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:13,840
a higher aspect of being on a daily

1884
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,560
basis

1885
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:16,480
and you know just try to at least stay

1886
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:17,600
connected to that

1887
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,960
and keep open to that and

1888
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:22,640
do the best you can but i don't think

1889
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:25,600
perfection's expected

1890
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,280
right thank you nathan i appreciate your

1891
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,000
question uh melinda the next one is from

1892
01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:33,040
fab22 asking um have you tried some

1893
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:35,199
techniques to deepen or access memories

1894
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:35,679
of your

1895
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:38,159
nde like hypnosis and would you

1896
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:45,350
i remember a lot about the nde

1897
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,960
part of what i remember is being told i

1898
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:48,560
wouldn't be allowed to take it all back

1899
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,239
for one thing you can't bring it all

1900
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:52,159
back where i was at

1901
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,840
um again i had that 360 spherical vision

1902
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:57,280
i was not

1903
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,719
vision

1904
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:02,400
i could see all around perceive all

1905
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,440
around i had

1906
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:07,199
perceptive abilities that i don't have

1907
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:14,310
and you you can't bring that back

1908
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,840
you can't translate it back you can't

1909
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,600
translate a lot of it back and so i

1910
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:19,840
was told that i wouldn't be allowed to

1911
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,080
bring it all back

1912
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,080
you bring back impressions and thoughts

1913
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:26,239
um i was also

1914
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,679
left with the impression that at some

1915
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:29,600
point it would open up and i would be

1916
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:31,280
able to remember more that has not

1917
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:32,800
happened so far

1918
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:35,920
i remember vividly what happened i

1919
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:37,520
actually put it on

1920
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:40,719
the nderf uh near death experience

1921
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:44,239
research foundation nderf.org

1922
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,320
by dr jeffrey long i actually put it on

1923
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,719
my experience on that um it's under a

1924
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:52,800
pseudonym if anybody wants to look at

1925
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,709
you know reconstruction of it it's under

1926
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,000
jillian m

1927
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:03,120
g i l i a n

1928
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:07,040
m so um that's the pseudonym that was

1929
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:08,480
provided for me because you can do it

1930
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:10,159
anonymously but

1931
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:15,120
um you know i did that

1932
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:17,760
reconstruction of the event maybe six

1933
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:18,640
months after

1934
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,880
the actual occurrence so it's pretty

1935
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,640
fresh in my memory and everything but

1936
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:24,080
i don't think i've forgotten anything i

1937
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,390
okay sorry i thought you were gonna

1938
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:34,080
follow up with something else

1939
01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:37,760
well um the if you if you can

1940
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:40,159
maybe if you would like if you sent me a

1941
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:40,800
link

1942
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:42,560
specifically to that forum that's also

1943
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:44,159
something that i could add

1944
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,920
um okay to this to the description so um

1945
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:50,320
but um do you foresee yourself in the

1946
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,440
future of

1947
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:54,000
continuing of having all these different

1948
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:54,719
experiences

1949
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:57,040
or whatever may come or what do you

1950
01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:58,480
think is just kind of

1951
01:15:01,990 --> 01:15:01,120
take it all in ponder more about things

1952
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:02,000
and move kind of

1953
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:03,840
move forward in life with with this new

1954
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:06,159
understanding

1955
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:07,520
i think moving forward with life with

1956
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:09,199
new understandings a lot of it

1957
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,960
trying to come to terms and understand

1958
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:13,199
what i'm seeing when i see these

1959
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:14,800
energies and things that's what i'm

1960
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:16,960
interested in because it's not anything

1961
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,920
i've seen i mean i

1962
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:19,440
you hear about people seeing auras and

1963
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:20,640
they said in the other it's not like

1964
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:21,840
that it's

1965
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:25,440
it's um it's something different like

1966
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:27,760
so right now we're having um an outbreak

1967
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:29,040
of bag worms i don't know if you know

1968
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:30,159
what bagworms are they're

1969
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:32,560
this these horrible little caterpillars

1970
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:33,440
that

1971
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:36,239
eat your trees and they're you know

1972
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:37,600
they're just really a problem

1973
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:40,080
and they hang down from the trees as

1974
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,600
you're driving down the road

1975
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,360
and you know you're bumping into them

1976
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:44,960
because they are they spin

1977
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:47,040
silk out and then they try to go from

1978
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:48,000
point a to point b

1979
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:51,199
by uh dropping down on a string of silk

1980
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:52,560
and so you're bumping into them on the

1981
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,640
road and i can actually see

1982
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,640
them before i actually see the bag worm

1983
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:58,000
hanging at the end of the silk

1984
01:16:01,110 --> 01:16:00,080
i can actually see that there's one

1985
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,120
coming up

1986
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:03,199
because i can see the lines going into

1987
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:04,960
the silk even though that silk is so

1988
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:05,760
transparent

1989
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:06,880
there's no way i can see it from a

1990
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:08,960
distance but i can see the distortion

1991
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:09,920
that it causes

1992
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,400
in the background of everything is that

1993
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:14,159
if that makes any sense at all

1994
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:15,679
and so i can tell when i'm about to run

1995
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:18,000
into one of those portal backwards

1996
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,950
you know that sort of thing i i would

1997
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:27,040
like to try to figure that out

1998
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:28,960
why have something that you can see if

1999
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:30,400
you don't know the purpose of it and

2000
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:31,760
what good it is

2001
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:33,600
and all it does is just kind of disturb

2002
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:35,679
your day

2003
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,400
so um linda i want to ask you oh i'm

2004
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:40,159
sorry melinda i would like to ask you

2005
01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:40,800
about

2006
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:44,480
um so i i understand you know

2007
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:46,640
so for example i went to school for

2008
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:48,640
computer science and

2009
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,800
but that doesn't mean i know they all be

2010
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:52,159
all about computers

2011
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:53,760
so i of course don't make the same

2012
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:55,679
assumption about doctors that

2013
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:57,840
you know they would know they all be all

2014
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:59,440
about medical science i mean of course

2015
01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:01,040
there's journals you can read you know

2016
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,000
if i'm not mistaken

2017
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:04,719
and find out more and learn more but so

2018
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:06,400
i'm not trying to attribute this to you

2019
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,520
that oh

2020
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:09,120
maybe you know something more about this

2021
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:10,640
but what about an

2022
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:14,800
actual um somehow a correlation between

2023
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,880
your experiences and a physical change

2024
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:18,400
to your body to where

2025
01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:19,920
you know it makes your eyes more

2026
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:21,760
receptive you know

2027
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:24,400
and and maybe you know certain other

2028
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:25,520
physical traits

2029
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:30,480
do did you ever think about that

2030
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,199
what i would say is it's not our what i

2031
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:34,800
even tell this to patients

2032
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:36,880
okay we don't see with our eyes we don't

2033
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:38,159
hear with our ears

2034
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:41,600
um we see our eyes are a mechanism

2035
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:43,920
very much like a lens in a microscope or

2036
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,920
you know binocular lenses

2037
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:47,520
and it's our brains that interpret the

2038
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:49,440
data and

2039
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:53,120
give us the ability to see um

2040
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:54,960
and the same with hearing it's our it's

2041
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:57,199
our auditory cortex that allows us to

2042
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,239
hear

2043
01:18:01,510 --> 01:18:00,719
uh not the ear itself your ear is just

2044
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:01,520
like a drum

2045
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:05,440
it's truly an ear drum it just vibrates

2046
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:08,480
and so you know both of them are

2047
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:10,080
collecting

2048
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:13,360
the brain

2049
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:16,400
and so i would say if anything it's not

2050
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:18,640
a change in my vision it's a change

2051
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,800
well not changing my eyes it's a change

2052
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:22,480
in my brain

2053
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:25,520
um you know but

2054
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:28,000
i guess i want to know why and what it

2055
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:29,440
is and is it measurable

2056
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:33,520
scientifically and you know

2057
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:35,120
you know are other people i would love

2058
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:36,480
to know if other people are starting to

2059
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:37,920
see things like this

2060
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,120
you know and that's that's part of my

2061
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:41,040
purpose is you know when you come out of

2062
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:41,760
the closet

2063
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:43,520
you want to know if there's other people

2064
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:44,880
coming out too

2065
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:48,320
for the same reasons and you know

2066
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:50,400
so that's you know being left with i

2067
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:53,280
mean that's not the only thing i see

2068
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:58,950
moats of light i mean they're tiny

2069
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:01,040
infinitesimal tiny things that

2070
01:19:04,050 --> 01:19:02,560
zip in and out of my fingers and out of

2071
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:04,060
other things um

2072
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:06,880
[Music]

2073
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:11,440
you know i i just feel like

2074
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:13,360
it's a mystery you know some of the

2075
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:15,199
things i see it's just mysterious

2076
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:18,400
like in the wintertime i can be

2077
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:21,600
walking outside and there'll be stocks

2078
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:22,320
of

2079
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:24,000
you know out in the field they'll be you

2080
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:25,360
know we live in the country so there'll

2081
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:26,400
be stocks of

2082
01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:29,280
you know some type of vegetation that's

2083
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:30,080
dead

2084
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:33,520
and um i can actually see lines of force

2085
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:35,120
between the stalks

2086
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:36,640
that's what it's like it's like a line

2087
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:38,400
of force like a magnetic

2088
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:39,840
line of force or something like that

2089
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:42,080
sometimes if i'm driving down the road

2090
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,520
and

2091
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:45,360
you know we live in a rural area so

2092
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:47,440
driving anywhere you often are driving

2093
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:48,480
past

2094
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:50,560
old uh places where they used to have

2095
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:51,679
old signs

2096
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:54,560
back in the 50s and 60s that had a metal

2097
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:55,120
um

2098
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:57,199
frame and then there's a lot of metal

2099
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,640
fences and around these

2100
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,239
anything metal coming out of the ground

2101
01:20:04,229 --> 01:20:02,320
any kind of metal pipe metal post metal

2102
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:04,239
fence i see lines of force i mean i

2103
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:05,600
don't know what it is

2104
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:08,080
so you know i would just love to see if

2105
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:09,679
other people are having that kind of

2106
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,639
experience and

2107
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,719
what they think it's all about and you

2108
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:14,000
know is it just

2109
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,800
an upgrade in the brain or you know what

2110
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:18,719
is it and what what purpose is it you

2111
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,040
know

2112
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:21,520
so far other than detecting bag worms

2113
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,400
before i actually

2114
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:24,320
get up close enough to see them i i

2115
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:25,920
can't tell much purpose

2116
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:29,360
right well melinda the next question

2117
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:32,480
um is from nick asking

2118
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:34,000
are you convinced that when you pass

2119
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:37,199
away you'll go to the same place

2120
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:39,920
as in your nde or do you feel you'll

2121
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:40,560
need to

2122
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:43,360
earn it by earning it i mean meditating

2123
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:45,280
be kind to others positive

2124
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:48,560
and so on you know i don't the place

2125
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:49,360
that i went to

2126
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:52,000
was not the end-all be-all it wasn't you

2127
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:52,639
know

2128
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,480
i had a sense it's hard to explain

2129
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:59,040
i had a sense of kind of a trophism a

2130
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:00,000
sense of where god

2131
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:03,520
was when i was there and it was i wasn't

2132
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,560
there where god is

2133
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,480
okay or whatever you want to call the

2134
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:08,400
creator whatever your

2135
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,320
personal belief structure is um

2136
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:14,400
i wasn't there but i had a sense of

2137
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:15,520
where that was

2138
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:19,920
and you know

2139
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:21,360
that's the accomplishment is actually

2140
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:23,199
getting back there

2141
01:21:30,390 --> 01:21:27,600
so i'm not saying

2142
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:30,400
um i don't i don't know where i went and

2143
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:31,520
i don't know that i'll go back there

2144
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,080
again when i die i really don't know

2145
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:36,560
but i know that it was awesome and i'm

2146
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:38,000
not afraid of death

2147
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:41,600
and um you know i just

2148
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:44,719
i don't know where it was what it was

2149
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:48,000
and you know i just know that i'd go

2150
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:49,760
there again in a minute

2151
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:52,719
okay well um melinda for you being uh

2152
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:55,520
you said pediatrician correct

2153
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:58,560
and so um i can't believe i'm asking you

2154
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:00,080
to steal your question that means

2155
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:02,159
uh you're you're basically dealing with

2156
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,639
children what's your day correct

2157
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:06,560
mostly babies at this point i'm

2158
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:08,400
functioning as a pediatric hospitalist

2159
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:09,920
so i work mostly in the hospital mostly

2160
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:10,880
in the nursery and then

2161
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:13,600
the occasional inpatient we don't have a

2162
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:14,080
very high

2163
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:15,520
inpatient census but we have lots of

2164
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:17,679
babies well the reason

2165
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:20,400
why i'm asking that um straw brothers

2166
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:20,960
asking

2167
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:23,280
or saying making a statement and kind of

2168
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:24,719
jotted my memory about

2169
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:28,560
he says super kids can see colors and

2170
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:31,040
read blindfolded is melinda aware of

2171
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,840
that so

2172
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:34,320
from your experience with your

2173
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:34,960
background

2174
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:36,560
is that also something that you might be

2175
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:38,080
willing to to

2176
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:40,480
look into and see what that could be all

2177
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:42,639
about

2178
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:45,840
that have

2179
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:48,960
extra sensory abilities that are

2180
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:51,280
mind-boggling unfortunately

2181
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:52,000
unfortunately

2182
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:53,920
in our country there's not a lot of

2183
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:56,480
reason people aren't receptive to that

2184
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:59,360
um you know and i think it's a shame

2185
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:00,800
because once children outgrow

2186
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:04,159
a certain sense of magical thinking

2187
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:07,600
then they lose a lot of that ability

2188
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:10,960
and so um but there are some

2189
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:12,400
places in the world where they actually

2190
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:15,520
encourage it and i think it's

2191
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,280
easier to perhaps study there but

2192
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:21,040
i mean it fascinates me i just don't

2193
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:22,800
know much about it

2194
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:25,520
so i'll let you finish off on your uh

2195
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,920
you know

2196
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,520
with any final thoughts you might have

2197
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:29,600
but before that i have a quick question

2198
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:31,840
what does your husband think about you

2199
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:35,199
know all of this

2200
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:38,320
well let's see i'm trying to think of

2201
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:38,880
all the

2202
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:43,910
he was the one that actually saw the

2203
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:46,400
first ufo the the diamond-shaped one he

2204
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:48,400
was the one that actually spotted it

2205
01:23:52,629 --> 01:23:51,199
i was actually asleep so you know he saw

2206
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,639
that he saw a ufo

2207
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:54,239
out in california when he was a young

2208
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:56,400
person that did some

2209
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,880
maneuvers that you know just didn't make

2210
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,320
any sense they were just

2211
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:02,560
right angle turns and things like that

2212
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:03,600
so he's always

2213
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:06,639
kind of believed in ufos and then

2214
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:08,239
you know we had that one that drove over

2215
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:10,000
the top of us

2216
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:13,679
and um you know in the 2000s and

2217
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:15,040
so i'm trying to think of other things

2218
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,040
he's experienced with me we were

2219
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,920
one time talking like a couple of feet

2220
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:21,840
from each other just chit chatting

2221
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:24,320
talking about something and then you

2222
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:25,840
know

2223
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:27,679
about three feet from us came a

2224
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:29,199
disembodied voice

2225
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:31,600
saying an entire sentence in another

2226
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:32,719
language

2227
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:34,000
and we both looked at each other you

2228
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:35,280
know we knew what we'd heard there was

2229
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:37,280
no radio or anything else nearby you

2230
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:38,080
know

2231
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:41,120
he has um i used to have a lamp one of

2232
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:42,320
those touch lamps you know what i'm

2233
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:43,840
talking about you touch the base and it

2234
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:44,159
turned

2235
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:47,120
on and it had three different settings

2236
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:47,520
and

2237
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:50,560
um when we were moving up here when

2238
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:51,920
we're making the transition up here to

2239
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:54,159
northeast oklahoma where i live now

2240
01:25:01,750 --> 01:24:59,360
um he would um

2241
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:01,760
he sent the lamp with me when i was in

2242
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:03,600
an apartment while we were

2243
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:05,840
trying to move everything up and and

2244
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:06,960
find a new place to live

2245
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:08,480
before we settled on this farm that

2246
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:10,880
we're on and um

2247
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:12,320
so the lamp was there and i started

2248
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:14,320
noticing i would i would leave for work

2249
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:15,679
and i'd come back and the lamp would be

2250
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,000
on

2251
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:18,560
and i'm i'm a stickler about not wasting

2252
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:21,120
energy so it really disturbed me

2253
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:22,960
so i'd make sure you know that the lamp

2254
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:24,320
was off and it'd be on

2255
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:27,199
and so i'd come home and so i got to

2256
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:28,320
where i started talking to the lamp

2257
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:29,920
which is kind of stupid but

2258
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:32,639
you know why are you turning on and it

2259
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:34,159
would start it would start going through

2260
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,880
the different

2261
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,800
you know the three different settings

2262
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:38,400
and i'm not anywhere near it

2263
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,000
you know so i got to where i could ask

2264
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:42,000
yes no questions about it and it would

2265
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:43,040
actually

2266
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:45,760
you know respond and then i just got too

2267
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:47,600
weirded out by it and so i just like

2268
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:50,719
put the lamp in the closet but then we

2269
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:51,679
bought our farm

2270
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:55,040
and moved into the farm he he took the

2271
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:56,320
lamp and put it in

2272
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:59,440
you know in one of his rooms and

2273
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:01,280
i was talking to him he was in there and

2274
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,239
i was just talking to him and

2275
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:06,880
it starts it comes on you know and we're

2276
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,800
both across the room from it there's no

2277
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:10,159
no way and so

2278
01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:11,920
you know i had told him how it had been

2279
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:13,760
doing and what it was had been doing he

2280
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:15,120
thought i was crazy

2281
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:18,400
and so we sat there and interacted with

2282
01:26:21,910 --> 01:26:20,080
it you know would ask it questions and

2283
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:21,920
yes no questions and stuff like that and

2284
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:23,440
then not long after that it

2285
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:26,719
it whatever caused the the touch

2286
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:29,040
aspect of the mechanism to work quit

2287
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:30,239
working and so

2288
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:33,040
you know it went to the garbage pile but

2289
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,440
um

2290
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:34,800
you know so he got to experience things

2291
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:36,800
like that he's you know

2292
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:38,800
got to see a few of the things i had to

2293
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:39,840
deal with but

2294
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:42,480
he's very supportive um you know he

2295
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:43,840
doesn't ridicule me

2296
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:46,480
he's seen enough of the weirdness and

2297
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:47,679
and everything and

2298
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:51,280
he he's not seen bigfoot but um

2299
01:26:55,030 --> 01:26:53,920
he was he's a jogger and he was jogging

2300
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:55,040
on a back road

2301
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:57,600
back trail where we used to live in

2302
01:27:02,229 --> 01:26:58,880
southeast oklahoma

2303
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:02,239
not far from our home and he went

2304
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,239
jogging underneath a bluff and a huge

2305
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:06,239
boulder went flying over him

2306
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:09,120
um not to try to crush him or hurt him

2307
01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:09,920
or anything

2308
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:12,639
but over down across the road and down

2309
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:13,840
the hillside and

2310
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:15,760
it wasn't you know he heard a noise and

2311
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:16,960
that sort of thing and

2312
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:19,280
you know sees this thing flying flying

2313
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:20,480
across the road

2314
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,960
and it's not like it fell down it's not

2315
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:24,320
like it rolled down the cliff or

2316
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:26,320
anything like that this was hurled

2317
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:28,639
by something and in the same area he had

2318
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:30,400
something yell at him that was

2319
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:33,840
he said it was so loud that it like

2320
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:36,239
vibrated your lungs in your chest so

2321
01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:37,360
that sort of thing

2322
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,719
like when you're in a concert you know

2323
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:40,719
and the base is really heavy

2324
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:43,840
so you know you know he believes it

2325
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:45,520
so he's really supportive yeah the

2326
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:47,040
reason why it's asking at least he is

2327
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:47,760
supportive

2328
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,280
because sometimes in um um stories i've

2329
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,199
heard and personal experiences of

2330
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,199
close friends you know it creates too

2331
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,280
much friction if the if the partner is

2332
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,520
not into the metaphysical in general

2333
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:01,520
and so you know sometimes there's

2334
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:03,199
divorces all kinds of things but i'm

2335
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:04,639
glad everything's you know

2336
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:06,560
you have you have somebody who you can

2337
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:08,000
you know share your thoughts and

2338
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:09,520
experiences with

2339
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:12,400
um so melinda i wanted to just ask you

2340
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:13,920
if there's something specific you would

2341
01:28:17,189 --> 01:28:15,600
like to finish off with

2342
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:17,199
unless there's something else you would

2343
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,950
i'm i'm trying to think i mean i've had

2344
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:26,639
so many things over my lifetime

2345
01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:29,920
i would love to know if if any of your

2346
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:33,040
listeners have ever had what i call

2347
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:38,470
so this happened mostly when i was

2348
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:40,239
younger

2349
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:43,120
childhood young adulthood and i would

2350
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:43,520
say

2351
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:46,320
it doesn't happen much anymore but i

2352
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,280
often

2353
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:49,440
uh had dreams where i was other people

2354
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,760
um

2355
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:53,440
you know they seemed like a dream except

2356
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:54,719
they were extremely vivid it was like

2357
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:56,159
actually living it and i would actually

2358
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,920
wake up with memories of

2359
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,440
relatives that i didn't have you know

2360
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:00,960
like aunt sally that i don't have

2361
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:03,600
and uncle bob that i don't have and with

2362
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:05,760
the associated emotions about how i felt

2363
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:07,199
about them and

2364
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,280
i wasn't always female i was sometimes

2365
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:11,760
male

2366
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:14,080
so that was really disconcerting as a

2367
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:14,960
child to

2368
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:16,639
wake up from a dream where you had been

2369
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:18,800
an adult male and that sort of thing

2370
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:21,280
with a whole lifetime of memories and

2371
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,560
interactions and

2372
01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:24,719
you know that sort of thing one time i

2373
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:27,040
was actually

2374
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:30,400
i mean it's ufo hub so if you want to

2375
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,520
hear some weird ufo

2376
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:33,440
type stuff i can tell you a couple more

2377
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:36,080
stories uh i don't know if you have time

2378
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,000
yeah no i mean we do we're not we're not

2379
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:40,000
restricted you know in any way it's just

2380
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:42,000
i'm respectful of your time so if you

2381
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:43,199
have something else that you would like

2382
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:46,239
to get off your chest please do

2383
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:53,430
and again there they were very vivid it

2384
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:54,800
was like actually living it

2385
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:56,239
it wasn't like the usual dream which is

2386
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:57,840
fragmented and weird and

2387
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:59,040
it doesn't really make a lot of sense

2388
01:30:01,030 --> 01:30:00,480
when you wake up these were weird they

2389
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:01,040
were like

2390
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:04,239
actually being there so

2391
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:07,520
maybe i wasn't there so it kind of harks

2392
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:09,040
back to the person that had the question

2393
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:10,960
whether i was a contactee i don't know

2394
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:11,280
but

2395
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:15,520
i remember being in like a round room

2396
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:18,800
that had a series of um

2397
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:20,639
it was very futuristic this probably

2398
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:21,920
happened when i was

2399
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:24,719
a pre-teen um and it was a very

2400
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:26,719
futuristic nothing that i'd ever seen

2401
01:30:35,189 --> 01:30:29,840
in in reality it was like um

2402
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:35,199
a roundish room and it was like a

2403
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:41,350
rows of seats with kind of a desk like

2404
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:42,719
thing in front of it kind of like an

2405
01:30:48,070 --> 01:30:43,760
auditorium but

2406
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:48,080
very small and round um

2407
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:52,000
on one across the from the seats

2408
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:54,960
were it was like a a blank screen which

2409
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:57,280
at the time we didn't have screens

2410
01:31:01,750 --> 01:31:00,080
like that we didn't have big screen tvs

2411
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:01,760
you know we had the old cathode ray

2412
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:03,199
televisions and stuff like that so i'd

2413
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:05,040
never seen anything like that but it was

2414
01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:07,600
like the entire wall was a screen

2415
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:11,920
and on the wall was um

2416
01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:15,840
first we were in this room and we were

2417
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:17,920
reading a story that was being projected

2418
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:18,320
upon

2419
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:20,320
the wall and it was in cursive writing i

2420
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:21,920
remember that

2421
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:23,679
and it was about a battle that was

2422
01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:25,199
taking place

2423
01:31:28,830 --> 01:31:26,639
and so we're reading the story of this

2424
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:28,840
battle and then all of a sudden the

2425
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:31,280
screen switches to an actual

2426
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:34,320
like a movie of the battle and it wasn't

2427
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:35,600
humans

2428
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:37,520
i was a human sitting in that classroom

2429
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:39,600
but what i was witnessing up on that

2430
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:43,040
screen was um

2431
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:46,800
it's hard to it was they were up

2432
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:49,920
right they were bipedal they were

2433
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:52,159
slender

2434
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:55,120
they almost looked like they had um kind

2435
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:57,360
of an exos skeleton that was maybe like

2436
01:32:02,870 --> 01:31:58,320
chitin like

2437
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:02,880
insects have uh their head was very

2438
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:05,920
different than ours um

2439
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:09,600
large eyes and

2440
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:11,600
they were fighting you know killing each

2441
01:32:15,270 --> 01:32:12,639
other

2442
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:15,280
and then all of a sudden it went so it

2443
01:32:19,590 --> 01:32:15,840
went

2444
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:19,600
quickly from reading this to seeing it

2445
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:22,080
and then being sucked into it and i was

2446
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:25,040
a part of it and i was one of the

2447
01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:27,840
one of the combatants and i was actually

2448
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:28,400
this

2449
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:34,159
i had a sense that i was like a warrior

2450
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:34,960
and that

2451
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:38,000
i lived for battle i mean i'm a kid you

2452
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:38,560
know i

2453
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:44,159
avoid all kinds of bullying and violence

2454
01:32:48,230 --> 01:32:45,600
and all that you know on the

2455
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:48,240
playground and stuff like that and so um

2456
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:49,920
[Music]

2457
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:53,360
i just remember you know he loved battle

2458
01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:54,000
he lived

2459
01:32:57,510 --> 01:32:55,840
for it they were indoctrinated to

2460
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:57,520
believe that that's what their existence

2461
01:33:01,350 --> 01:32:58,320
was all about

2462
01:33:02,470 --> 01:33:01,360
was to fight and for glory and you know

2463
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:02,480
see

2464
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:05,760
how many um i remember on the area where

2465
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:06,639
we would have

2466
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:10,400
our collarbone okay

2467
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:14,880
there was like external chitin like

2468
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:18,639
protrusion and

2469
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:20,480
instead of having metals you know we

2470
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:22,560
would hang metals on a uniform

2471
01:33:29,350 --> 01:33:25,760
they actually i actually as

2472
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:29,360
this dude had inlays

2473
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:31,679
it was like cut into the chitin were

2474
01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:32,400
inlays

2475
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:36,560
of you know markings in i don't know if

2476
01:33:39,910 --> 01:33:37,760
there were stones or

2477
01:33:41,350 --> 01:33:39,920
pla i had no idea but various things

2478
01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:41,360
were inlaid into this kite and that

2479
01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:43,120
indicated the battles i had won

2480
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:46,400
and the honors i had received and

2481
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:49,600
you know i just remember coming back

2482
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:51,760
from that dream oh and then

2483
01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:55,120
so and then i came out of that warrior

2484
01:33:58,149 --> 01:33:56,719
you know who lived for battle and

2485
01:34:00,870 --> 01:33:58,159
bloodlust and was killing

2486
01:34:02,310 --> 01:34:00,880
and maiming and everything and i came

2487
01:34:03,990 --> 01:34:02,320
back out of him and back into the

2488
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:04,000
classroom into my

2489
01:34:10,470 --> 01:34:06,730
my regular kid body and um

2490
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:12,870
then we were shown somehow we're shown

2491
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:14,719
simultaneously all three the written

2492
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:15,840
word

2493
01:34:21,189 --> 01:34:19,520
the visual and then the being it i i i

2494
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:21,199
can't explain how it happened

2495
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:22,560
i just remember that that's what

2496
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:24,159
happened and i i don't understand it

2497
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:24,480
because

2498
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:27,600
how can you see

2499
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:28,880
how can you experience all three things

2500
01:34:31,990 --> 01:34:30,960
at the same time two visual things and

2501
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:32,000
one experiential thing

2502
01:34:35,830 --> 01:34:33,840
i just i don't know anyway but that's

2503
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:35,840
the way it was and so then

2504
01:34:39,910 --> 01:34:37,199
when i woke up the next morning and

2505
01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:39,920
remembered the dream um

2506
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:42,800
i just remembered understanding why some

2507
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:43,360
people

2508
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:45,760
you know love to fight and that sense of

2509
01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:46,560
bloodlust

2510
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:49,679
and glory and everything else it just

2511
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:50,880
helped me to understand that

2512
01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:53,040
aspect of human nature even though it

2513
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:59,590
but i guess that's the most interesting

2514
01:35:02,229 --> 01:35:00,000
teaching

2515
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:02,239
dream i had but i had lots of them and

2516
01:35:06,310 --> 01:35:03,360
most of them involved

2517
01:35:07,030 --> 01:35:06,320
um serious situations that i was

2518
01:35:09,669 --> 01:35:07,040
questioning

2519
01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:09,679
um and then i'd fall asleep and i'd get

2520
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:11,600
some kind of answer in my dream by being

2521
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:12,560
another person

2522
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:14,239
and seeing things from their perspective

2523
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:16,560
and experiencing

2524
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:19,920
their life and what it was like so i'd

2525
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:21,679
love to know if any of your listeners

2526
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:24,480
have experiences like that

2527
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:27,520
well if they if they get a chance to

2528
01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:30,800
write it down and um

2529
01:35:34,229 --> 01:35:32,800
you know mention something i'll of

2530
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:34,239
course convey to you

2531
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:38,239
um well i mean this donna

2532
01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:41,199
topez from she's on facebook says the

2533
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:43,199
the dreams are definitely past life

2534
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:45,920
remembrance is interesting so it's just

2535
01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:48,080
more of a statement she's making

2536
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:51,119
um one of them actually more futuristic

2537
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:54,000
like i was seeing into the future i mean

2538
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:55,760
it it's things that we have nowadays but

2539
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:57,119
it's nothing that i'd experienced at

2540
01:36:00,470 --> 01:35:58,400
that time in my life

2541
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:00,480
um as far as a skyscraper where i could

2542
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:02,320
see out and see

2543
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:04,320
um like the windows were made out of

2544
01:36:07,990 --> 01:36:06,320
glass the walls were made out of glass i

2545
01:36:08,790 --> 01:36:08,000
should say it's like up in a skyscraper

2546
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:08,800
it's very

2547
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:11,600
futuristic and that sort of thing so i

2548
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,800
don't think that's all

2549
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:14,480
i mean but again once you've had that

2550
01:36:16,470 --> 01:36:15,600
near-death experience where you've gone

2551
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:16,480
to that

2552
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:18,080
timeless place you realize that there

2553
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:19,760
really is no time

2554
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:22,480
um you know it's all the eternal now and

2555
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:25,600
it's all happening at once and so

2556
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:28,400
right well i mean possibly as uh you

2557
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:29,280
know people keep

2558
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:31,119
watching and re-watching this interview

2559
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:32,480
today you know

2560
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:34,800
um i know it would not be probably the

2561
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:36,159
best thing to be scouring

2562
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:37,920
you know comments all the time but you

2563
01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:39,760
know sometimes people do answer then

2564
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:41,760
even though they might you know whoever

2565
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:43,520
is watching now they might not do it in

2566
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:44,080
this

2567
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:49,360
i don't know if that could be considered

2568
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:50,960
the same thing i usually

2569
01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:55,040
um use that sleeping state and

2570
01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:56,719
and sometimes dreams in general it helps

2571
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:58,719
me solve problems if i have something

2572
01:37:03,830 --> 01:37:00,880
going on you know i really just kind of

2573
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:03,840
you know not that i'm sitting there and

2574
01:37:05,910 --> 01:37:04,320
kind of

2575
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:05,920
intentionally saying okay i'm putting

2576
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:07,520
this intent out that i would like a

2577
01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:08,800
solution to a problem

2578
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:10,400
i just basically go to sleep trying to

2579
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:11,840
figure this out

2580
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:13,440
and then basically wake up the next

2581
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:15,920
morning i was like aha i got the answer

2582
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:17,760
you know and of course it's not quite

2583
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:19,360
the same you know

2584
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:22,000
what you just described but um you know

2585
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:22,400
it's

2586
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:27,280
you find out what you need to

2587
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:29,440
you'll find out so anyway that's the

2588
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:31,040
closest i can kind of relate to

2589
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:35,840
personally to what you were just saying

2590
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:38,320
yeah i think it sleep helps sort out our

2591
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:40,480
unconscious and subconscious and

2592
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:43,520
what we've consciously dealt with you

2593
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:44,880
know in our day-to-day life

2594
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:46,719
it definitely helps us sort it all out

2595
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:48,560
and sometimes it's more profound than

2596
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:48,960
that

2597
01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:52,000
it's um

2598
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:55,440
yeah okay well um

2599
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:57,520
melinda thank you again very much i

2600
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:58,560
really appreciate you

2601
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:00,480
you know connecting with me and well

2602
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:02,880
actually i reached out to you after

2603
01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:06,400
rayne uh introduced to introduced as i

2604
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:07,360
guess over email

2605
01:38:12,149 --> 01:38:10,560
so um i know i was busy at that time so

2606
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:12,159
it took me a little while to

2607
01:38:15,830 --> 01:38:14,400
to uh to write to you but you know i'm

2608
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:15,840
very glad you'll be able to talk to me

2609
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:16,800
today and

2610
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:20,080
and just share your perspective because

2611
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:22,480
you know there's at this point because

2612
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:25,440
we're at this weird stage where

2613
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:26,480
you know it's all about these

2614
01:38:31,109 --> 01:38:29,119
experiences and things learned and

2615
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:31,119
you know what is so important about that

2616
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:32,159
the conveying

2617
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,360
of of these experiences is is the

2618
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:37,440
most important part to people out there

2619
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:39,520
because not everyone

2620
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:41,280
you know has the same educational level

2621
01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:43,360
not everyone has the same experiences

2622
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:44,960
you know but at least just through

2623
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:46,400
sharing we can kind of

2624
01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:48,080
create our own little library of

2625
01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:50,239
information you know for each other so

2626
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:52,239
that others can reference and go oh okay

2627
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:53,600
there's this person who had similar

2628
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:55,440
experience aside as i did

2629
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:59,040
and you know i'm always maybe i'm too

2630
01:39:01,750 --> 01:39:00,960
naive every time i talk to people i

2631
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:01,760
always

2632
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:04,719
uh you know take the approach of they're

2633
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:06,159
not gonna you know lie to me they're

2634
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:07,040
gonna tell me

2635
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,960
however they experience it that that's

2636
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:10,400
how they'll convey it

2637
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:13,280
you know and um you know uh you can just

2638
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:15,360
tell when you speak to people

2639
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,600
what they're what they're talking about

2640
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:19,440
because i've never experienced

2641
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:21,600
uh or anyone that i've personally talked

2642
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:23,360
to and interviewed where i could

2643
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:26,000
where they're just kind of fishing if if

2644
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:28,080
you if you understand what i mean

2645
01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:30,480
you know so yes i'm hoping that this

2646
01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:32,239
library of information

2647
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:35,280
go ahead i'm sorry i just hope that when

2648
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:36,400
rey

2649
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:37,920
hernandez and the consciousness and

2650
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:40,080
contact research institute

2651
01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:45,119
come out with their um the academic list

2652
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:48,400
they're going to be wanting to find

2653
01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:50,560
people that are experiencers

2654
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:52,159
and do the same thing that they did with

2655
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:53,600
the ufo

2656
01:39:57,189 --> 01:39:56,800
the beyond ufos book that they did where

2657
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:57,199
they

2658
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:59,760
actually did scientific research and

2659
01:40:03,669 --> 01:40:01,040
actually

2660
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:03,679
disprove some of the myths that had been

2661
01:40:08,229 --> 01:40:06,159
pervasive in ufology

2662
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:08,239
as to you know people that experienced

2663
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:09,520
this and that it was a negative

2664
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:11,119
experience and that sort of thing

2665
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:14,159
so what the consciousness and content

2666
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:15,760
tact research institute will be doing

2667
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:18,560
now is this new research will be about

2668
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:21,119
the other modalities not just ufos and

2669
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,000
contact and that sort

2670
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:24,719
of thing but the other modalities that

2671
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:26,080
you can

2672
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:28,159
contact non-human intelligence whether

2673
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:30,000
it's from through shamanism

2674
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:32,800
or astral projection or out-of-body

2675
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:33,920
experiences

2676
01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:36,239
you know right yeah i'm looking at the

2677
01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:38,239
cover now so there's ndes

2678
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:41,679
obes ufos spirits uh prayer remote

2679
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:42,719
viewing

2680
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:45,920
um hallucigenic journeys uh non-human

2681
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:47,760
intelligences and so on i mean there's

2682
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:49,600
there's a lot

2683
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:51,840
right and i just hope that people will

2684
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:52,719
participate

2685
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:55,040
in that research so that we can get

2686
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:55,920
people that are

2687
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:59,119
good experiencers to um be a part of the

2688
01:41:03,750 --> 01:41:00,159
data

2689
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,760
it'll be anonymous of course um but

2690
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:05,600
you know when they actually come out

2691
01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:07,520
with the research i hope a lot of people

2692
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:09,520
because i mean the more data you have

2693
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:11,280
the more valid the research is if you

2694
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:12,000
have

2695
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:14,400
2 000 people versus 10 000 people the

2696
01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:16,239
the data is a lot more valid if you have

2697
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:19,360
a higher number so it's coming out

2698
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:21,199
yeah it's coming out october 1st and i

2699
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:22,719
hope people do get it you know

2700
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:25,199
also to read your chapter as well well

2701
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:27,679
the book is coming out but the actual

2702
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:30,239
research is still being formulated how

2703
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:32,480
it's going to the methodology and

2704
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:34,880
the questions that will be asked i mean

2705
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:36,800
you know that'll be a part of it is

2706
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:40,000
determining what the questionnaire will

2707
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:43,520
will include um but i just hope people

2708
01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:45,119
will take part in the questionnaire that

2709
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:47,199
will be a part of the results

2710
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:50,320
of the scientific study okay

2711
01:41:53,590 --> 01:41:52,159
all right well melinda thank you again

2712
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:53,600
very much i appreciate it

2713
01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:55,840
um so just uh i'll talk to you in a

2714
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:57,440
second please hang tight don't hang up

2715
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:58,080
on me but

2716
01:42:01,910 --> 01:41:59,280
i just want to say goodbye to the

2717
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:01,920
audience um everyone else watching thank

2718
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,280
you very much for joining

2719
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:05,760
joining both of us today um i hope you

2720
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:06,800
got something out of it

2721
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:09,679
uh next week on wednesday i promise this

2722
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:11,119
time i won't skip out we're going to

2723
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:12,960
have open lines where you can call in

2724
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:14,400
and share your stories

2725
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:17,119
um on on the live stream and then of

2726
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:19,199
course i'm already have a guest lined up

2727
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:20,000
on friday but

2728
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:22,159
i'll talk about that more next week so

2729
01:42:26,149 --> 01:42:23,679
but appreciate you all again

2730
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:26,159
for tuning in thank you melinda thank

2731
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:27,119
you again and

2732
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:29,119
i hope we get to talk to each other